So with the New Health Care Reform passed through the House. Who is for or against it?? Why or why not?

I am not in favor. My opinion (whether it's right or wrong) is why should we pay for the people who are too lazy to get a job just so they can have health insurance? Now it's different if they are disabled and unable to work. But these people who won't get off their butts to get a job shouldn't get subsidized health care that we, tax payers, are paying for!

Edited November 8, 200916 yr by TN_girl21

And YOU trust the government!!! Ha! ha! ha!

You are one of those 20% or so who trust the government! That's all I have to say. Enough said. You are the minority and your way of thinking is definitely skewed. Go ahead, keep on trusting them. They will provide for you and take care of you. Count on them to be the ones to carry you through.

The sad thing is that most liberals do. They prefer to have that security blanket for themselves rather than their individual freedoms. What a shame.

And YOU trust the government!!! Ha! ha! ha!

You are one of those 20% or so who trust the government! That's all I have to say. Enough said. You are the minority and your way of thinking is definitely skewed. Go ahead, keep on trusting them. They will provide for you and take care of you. Count on them to be the ones to carry you through.

The sad thing is that most liberals do. They prefer to have that security blanket for themselves rather than their individual freedoms. What a shame.

Just make sure that you don't accept social security or medicare. And no, you didn't contribute to it for yourself. Your current contributions are for those who are getting it now. Future workers will be contributing for you. So, save big now. Hey, the stock market went up from 6000 to 11,000 under the 18 months of Obama, so start investing for your golden years since you don't want the government to provide for you.

As opposed to how well PRIVATE corporate america is handling things:

Bear Stearns

AIG

Lehman Brothers

Countrywide

Goldman Sachs

Bank of America

Citigroup

And like I posted before: NO POOR PERSON OR GOVERNMENT ACTIVITY OR PROGRAM CAUSED MY RETIREMENT INVESTMENT TO TANK - BUT CORPORATE AMERICA DID!!!

You put your trust in them, not me. My trust is in God. Everyone knows, or should know, that you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. And, just because there are private companies in the world that do us wrong and that we should not trust, doesn't mean that our government needs to be one of them.

You put your trust in them, not me. My trust is in God. Everyone knows, or should know, that you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket. And, just because there are private companies in the world that do us wrong and that we should not trust, doesn't mean that our government needs to be one of them.

So, you keep your money under your mattress? If not, and you use a bank, you are trusting in the government to insure your deposits (FDIC). The FDIC was demonized back in 1933 just like the current financial regulations are by the republicans - who stand with wall street, not with main street, like I do.

And BTW, I didn't put all my eggs in one basket but everyone who had a 401(k) or had any investments in the stock market -WHICH BY THE WAY IS WHERE REPUBLICANS WANT YOU TO PUT YOUR MONEY WHEN THEY ADVOCATE FOR PRIVATIZING SOCIAL SECURITY - lost almost half their deposits. It was what we were told to do to be responsible and help provide for our old age. Isn't that what you always advocate with your "save $25/week" advice?

Edited April 23, 201016 yr by Cleo's Mom

Just make sure that you don't accept social security or medicare. And no, you didn't contribute to it for yourself. Your current contributions are for those who are getting it now. Future workers will be contributing for you. So, save big now. Hey, the stock market went up from 6000 to 11,000 under the 18 months of Obama, so start investing for your golden years since you don't want the government to provide for you.

Maybe my current contributions will go to those who are getting it now, but I put my finances into it while I was supposed to and therefore am entitled to a return on my investment. Those who will pay into it when I turn 65 will give back to me what I put in it for those before me. That's the way it works. Because the feds rob SS to pay other things, it probably wont be there for us when we retire. (we paid into it all our lives, but when it's our turn to receive it, it won't be there for us. But you're okay with that, cause the gov. will take care of you some way some how) I have said a hundred times before, yet you refuse to accept the reality of my statements. I do not push for NO government whatsoever, I push for LESS government. The programs that are already in place have a nill chance of ever being abolished, for what program does the federal government start that they end? NONE!

As for saving BIG now, I am. I do not depend on the government or anyone else to provide for my retirement. My husband and I have invested in rental property, we have pensions, and we have IRAs, stocks, and a savings to rely on as well as SS. None of our eggs in the same basket. If one fails, we will have the others to rely on.

So, you keep your money under your mattress? If not, and you use a bank, you are trusting in the government to insure your deposits (FDIC). The FDIC was demonized back in 1933 just like the current financial regulations are by the republicans - who stand with wall street, not with main street, like I do.

And BTW, I didn't put all my eggs in one basket but everyone who had a 401(k) or had any investments in the stock market -WHICH BY THE WAY IS WHERE REPUBLICANS WANT YOU TO PUT YOUR MONEY WHEN THEY ADVOCATE FOR PRIVATIZING SOCIAL SECURITY - lost almost half their deposits. It was what we were told to do to be responsible and help provide for our old age. Isn't that what you always advocate with your "save $25/week" advice?

Hey, you can't trust mankind. It's that simple. I don't put my trust in anyone but God. I look forward to eternal life in Heaven. I'm just passing through here. Ever hear the song "This is my temporary home"? Carrie Underwood.

Majority lacks trust in government: Poll

Nearly 80 per cent of Americans say they can't trust Washington and they have little faith that the massive federal bureaucracy can solve the nation's ills, according to a survey from the Pew Research Centre that shows public confidence in the federal government at one of the lowest points in a half-century.

The poll released yesterday illustrates the ominous situation facing President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party as they struggle to maintain their comfortable congressional majorities in this fall's elections.

Midterm prospects are typically tough for the party in power. Add a toxic environment like this and lots of incumbent Democrats could be out of work.

The survey found that just 22 per cent of those questioned say they can trust Washington almost always or most of the time and just 19 per cent say they are basically content with it. Nearly half say the government negatively effects their daily lives, a sentiment that's grown over the past dozen years.

Well, while you just continue to bash the government and offer no solutions and just come off as another angry person, Pres. Obama is just going along, solving the big problems and doing a great job. Go Obama!

He turned the tanking economy around

He provided healthcare to most of the uninsured and stopped insurance abuses.

He is taking on wall street with regulations so that they can't do what they did to cause this economic crisis ("regulate, baby, regulate" :biggrin:)

He passed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

He addressed nuclear proliferation.

And lots more.

And all this in just 18 months. WOW.

Maybe my current contributions will go to those who are getting it now, but I put my finances into it while I was supposed to and therefore am entitled to a return on my investment. Those who will pay into it when I turn 65 will give back to me what I put in it for those before me. That's the way it works. Because the feds rob SS to pay other things, it probably wont be there for us when we retire. (we paid into it all our lives, but when it's our turn to receive it, it won't be there for us. But you're okay with that, cause the gov. will take care of you some way some how) I have said a hundred times before, yet you refuse to accept the reality of my statements. I do not push for NO government whatsoever, I push for LESS government. The programs that are already in place have a nill chance of ever being abolished, for what program does the federal government start that they end? NONE!

As for saving BIG now, I am. I do not depend on the government or anyone else to provide for my retirement. My husband and I have invested in rental property, we have pensions, and we have IRAs, stocks, and a savings to rely on as well as SS. None of our eggs in the same basket. If one fails, we will have the others to rely on.

Well, real estate values are declining, if the company goes out of business, pension funds can be lost (unless guaranteed by that pesky government- same for the IRA's), stocks can tank (we all saw that). And as far as SS goes, the government will not let those who paid into it go without it, but they will probably raise the retirement age. That's almost a given.

I liked the following letter to the editor because it is so true and profiles so well the wrong-thinking by so many and whey they are wrong:

Everyone in this great nation relies on everyone else via government:

Lately, I've engaged in many debates with folks who truly believe they have made it in America all by themselves on only their grit and hard work. So they don't want to be forced to help anyone else through taxation or through government. OK, there is no doubt that grit and hard work should be seen as necessary and produce very positive results in life.

But to say that any citizen has received no assistance from fellow citizens is just a plain lie. We all are responsible for many parts of "the commons." The commons are those areas of our society that are not (yet) provided by private corporations -- fire departments, police departments, EMS, our military, roads, bridges, utilities, elections, clean water, safe drugs ... and many, many other areas of our daily lives that are helped and supported through "we the people" in the form of our government.

In our debates, I ask my friends, "Do you or any of your family own a business and receive special tax and liability benefits from our government?"; "Does anyone in your family receive Social Security checks, or go to the VA, or use Medicare or Medicaid?"; "Ever get a student loan or Pell grant, or SEOG grant and any other government help for education?"; "Do you like that your bank deposits are guaranteed to be there even if the bank goes belly up?" and on and on.

Bottom line: Our country is great because of our grit, determination, hard work and also because our Founders wanted "we the people" in the form of a government to "promote the general welfare." To think that anyone in this country made it on their own without the help of anyone else currently or who came before them is just a lie.

Edited April 23, 201016 yr by Cleo's Mom

And YOU trust the government!!! Ha! ha! ha!

You are one of those 20% or so who trust the government! That's all I have to say. Enough said. You are the minority and your way of thinking is definitely skewed. Go ahead, keep on trusting them. They will provide for you and take care of you. Count on them to be the ones to carry you through. Blah, blah, blah. I guarantee you that I have relied on the government less in my life than you have.

The sad thing is that most liberals do. They prefer to have that security blanket for themselves rather than their individual freedoms. What a shame.

What does "always", "most of the time" and "sometimes" have in common? They are positive agreements, they mean yes. Never means no. How do you justify claiming the 65% who "sometimes" trust the government as being on the "no" side? You either trust them or you don't. The people who don't said "never". So quit trying to claim 80%. The real number is 11%.

Majority lacks trust in government: Poll

Nearly 80 per cent of Americans say they can't trust Washington and they have little faith that the massive federal bureaucracy can solve the nation's ills, according to a survey from the Pew Research Centre that shows public confidence in the federal government at one of the lowest points in a half-century.

The poll released yesterday illustrates the ominous situation facing President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party as they struggle to maintain their comfortable congressional majorities in this fall's elections.

Midterm prospects are typically tough for the party in power. Add a toxic environment like this and lots of incumbent Democrats could be out of work.

The survey found that just 22 per cent of those questioned say they can trust Washington almost always or most of the time and just 19 per cent say they are basically content with it. Nearly half say the government negatively effects their daily lives, a sentiment that's grown over the past dozen years.

The following is a more in-depth analysis and sheds some light on this:

From NBC's Mark Murray

The new Pew survey showing that only 22% of the country trust the federal government in Washington is receiving lots of attention -- and deservedly so.

But the poll doesn't ask why people aren't trusting the federal government and whom they are blaming for the distrust. Fortunately, our January NBC/WSJ poll delved into these questions.

In that survey, just 28% said that the federal government was healthy or working ok, versus a whopping 70% who said it wasn't working or was unhealthy. By comparison, in Dec. 2000 -- as the Bush vs. Gore presidential contest was still unresolved -- our poll showed that 55% said the federal government was working, compared with 43% who said it wasn't working. (This was when we were coming off the 8 great years of Clinton) Strikingly, the Jan. 2010 NBC/WSJ poll found that the public was blaming congressional Republicans and congressional Democrats more than they were President Obama: 48% said they blamed congressional Republicans for not finding solutions to the problems the U.S. is facing, 41% blamed congressional Democrats, and 27% blamed Obama. (More blamed republicans than democrats or Obama - hmmm).

And why isn't the public trusting the government? That Jan. 2010 poll found that 93% said there's too much partisan fighting between Democrats and Republicans; 84% said special interests have too much influence over legislation; 74% said the government isn't doing enough to regulate Wall Street; (I agree with THESE people) 61% said Democratic majorities are trying to push through legislation without bipartisan compromise; an equal 61% said Republicans are trying to block any Democratic legislation without bipartisan compromise; 58% said the federal government is doing too much; and 47% said Obama is failing to provide the kind of leadership needed on the economy and health care.

So, when we get into the details of why people don't trust government, I actually agree with some of their observations.

I was at a plumbing supply store yesterday, 2 guys came in and 1 was making a joke about Obama. He compared "a lion n-word" to a n-word lion(lion, meaning liar). I cant remember how it went, who really cares! Anyway his buddy was asking him about Obama(in support of Obama)and he looked at me and said,"he doesnt like him because hes racist"! Then the racist guy said"seriously, Im a heavy equip. operator and I made most of my money in the 90s under Clinton". It just shows how ignorant people are.

If your wondering why I posted this, there was more to it than to show peoples ignorance, I cant remember now, Ive had 10 hrs sleep in 3 days, Im loseng my train of thought.

I was at "the infamous 7-11 this morning(the clerk is the idiot who doesnt pay credit cards off and doesnt want healthcare because he goes to er and doesnt pay hospital bills.)We where arguing , I told him about the lady that Cleosmom posted about(Teabagger) who forgot about social security and things she needs as being provided by the "untrustable" government. He totally blew me off and started about the birth cert. bs. Then one of his buddies(a teabagger Im sure, older man who has nothing better to do on weekends than hang at 7-11 for hours came in), at this point the conversation focused on Obama the "socialist", and of course the elderly man started going off about how Obama is ruining this country with tax raising and socialization of everything. I asked him what socialization and taxes he was talking about, I told him nobodies taxes have been raised, and the "socialized" healthcare plan was left out of the bill because the reps didnt want it. I told him he had every right to his beliefs but to explain what he was talking about, he smiled at me and walked out the door. These guys(about 4-5) hang out there mostly on weekends, they all believe the same bull$hit because they have nobody to dispute them in their little circle, and when someone (myself) does dispute the bs they tuck their tails and run! Typical rep hypocrits!!

Rueters reported Thursday, Wellpoint, the largest health insurer was using computer algorithm that automatically targets patients recently diagnosed with breast cancer, among other conditions. Theyre dropping patients after being diagnosed, now theyre being investigated. It also states they are "for profit". Status Quo is great isnt it?

Rueters reported Thursday, Wellpoint, the largest health insurer was using computer algorithm that automatically targets patients recently diagnosed with breast cancer, among other conditions. Theyre dropping patients after being diagnosed, now theyre being investigated. It also states they are "for profit". Status Quo is great isnt it?

I posted the report yesterday - post #1266. But how can this be since someone on here posted that the wonderful insurance companies don't drop people when they get sick? I guess that's because she's usually wrong.