all of the Yes on 8 banners on this site.

The propaganda on the Yes side, not to mention the money pouring into this from out of state (remember when conservative Republicans stood for the rights of states to make their own decisions???) is disgusting.

No on 8 - it's the only way to go if you are a strict constructionist who believes the Constitution should stay...

Beth I CAN understand explanations. I just haven't heard one that justifies your opposition to something that is absolutely no threat to you.

Nothing I say could ever be enough to be considered justifiable to those who disagree anyway. Like Donna said, it's like arguing with a doorknob.

You said that there has been a vote and that's all that really matters. You are quite wrong about that.

What matters is what is the right thing to do, not necessarily what is popular at the moment. Disenfranchising a segment of society because you don't believe they deserve the same rights that you enjoy is wrong and that is what matters!

First and foremost -- AGAIN -- marriage is NOT a right. It is not guaranteed in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or any other document that guarantees you and I certain things.

That said, how can you say that?? What DOES matter is that people have spoken! Otherwise, all our elections are crap. What if the 50-some-odd million that voted for McCain said that it didn't matter what the PEOPLE voted, the RIGHT thing is to NOT have a flaming Marxist socialist in the White House and disenfranchised everybody who voted for Obama and said the people and what THEY wanted must be overturned, that Obama is wrong for the country and that's all that matters?

If the vote FOR gay marriage went the way you wanted, the vote would matter THEN, wouldn't it? In a couple simple paragraphs you say that what people want doesn't matter -- oh, wait, except for gay people. What THEY want matters more.

Too many people are showing some very major double standards. You can't tolerate those who disagree with you and who take a stance against what they believe is wrong. You are all for shoving aside what people vote for (or against) in their community if it means furthering the agenda of a few. You want tolerance for certain lifestyles, yet show utter disdain for lifestyles you disagree with (like all the Christian bashing here). Again, "you" is general and not specific towards any one person here, but its "your" utter hypocrisy that is your undoing.

oh DH only wishes!!! LOL. :thumbup:

the only one who submits to anyone in our household are the dogs - to me, when they want a scoobie snack.

a partnership in marriage should suggest equality in decision making. compromise comes into play when 2 disagree on an issue.

i'm glad this "gods rule" works & turns out for the best for you and your family. my hubby wouldn't even try to own the decision making in our house - he preferred when i was the primary bread winner & he could have more time doing his "hairy leg" activities (male only). now it's his turn, balance is a good thing.

something for clarification patty? - is marriage only for those that do so under god? or rather the only recognizable ones?

My marriage wasn't recognized under God because I was married by a Judge due to the fact I was "living in sin" and was honest about it. How many Catholic priests are honest about what they do behind closed doors? Hmmmm...:laugh:

Scooby snacks!!!!

Readysteadygo, has taken on being the poster girl for homosexuality and has put a lot of herself out there on the line not only for herself but for others. She's a very caring and good person and no one deserves to be shot down as she has been.

I have to admit that I haven't read this entire thread, but if she has been shot down or attacked in any way, from what I have read recently from her on the matter, I hope that is not true. She articulates herself in a way that is fantastic and has been caring and heartfelt. However, people can still disagree with her and be just as caring and heartfelt.

I have to admit that I haven't read this entire thread, but if she has been shot down or attacked in any way, from what I have read recently from her on the matter, I hope that is not true. She articulates herself in a way that is fantastic and has been caring and heartfelt. However, people can still disagree with her and be just as caring and heartfelt.

I appreciate your understanding on this I just want you to know that she takes it very personally. So although it appears you and others are only giving your opinions against "gay marriage" she may take it as another attack against her, many she has taken over the years as a gay woman. So she feels it much deeper and personally than a person who is not a gay woman. So that is what I am trying to get across to you and others. Thanks Nancy :laugh:

I appreciate your understanding on this I just want you to know that she takes it very personally. So although it appears you and others are only giving your opinions against "gay marriage" she may take it as another attack against her, many she has taken over the years as a gay woman. So she feels it much deeper and personally than a person who is not a gay woman. So that is what I am trying to get across to you and others. Thanks Nancy :laugh:

Thank you, Nancy. I can like the person but disagree with the issue. I know it's hard to not feel attacked sometimes, and I will do my best.

Nanook, Overeating is just as sinful as homosexuality. It's called gluttony in the bible. I struggled with that sin most of my life till I had the lapband. I had to admit to God every day that I, and I alone, was responsible for putting more in my mouth than my body needed. I asked Him to forgive me every day, cause I was sinning every day. He always forgave me. The difference between a homosxuals sin of immorality and my sin of gluttony is that I recognized it as being wrong and admitted that it was wrong and therefore am forgiven by God. A homosexual who lives that way and refuses to acknowledge that he or she is sinning with that lifestyle will not be forgiven until they admit that what they are doing is wrong, and abstain from it.

And, if RSG did't want a debate, she shouldn't post in a debate area. I notice that since I said goodbye in the 'Who supports the right to choose' thread, it's been dead over there. If everyone felt the same way as you do about each issue, we wouldn't need a Rant and Rave thread, now would we?

losingjusme, God is dragged into every thread because controversal issues can't be resolved with out Him. He laid down the initial laws for mankind, and mankind chooses to ignore them because people want to do what they feel is right in their own eyes. If everyone would obey him and look to his word for the answers, we wouldn't even need to have this debate. God said it, I believe it, it's settled.

Dear Mean, Oh sorry, I meant to say Green, FYI: Jesus never said that his new covenant did not erase the old covenant. He spoke in the NT about the things that we were to continue to follow, and he spoke on laws that Moses gave that we were to discontinue. I certainly don't want you to think I am a know it all, but I do have a college degree in Bible. I've gone to school for many years.

but I do have a college degree in Bible.

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I apologize for calling you mean, but you certainly don't need to resort to calling me names just because I take a stand on the issues that God calls sin, and you don't agree with me.

What was the snort for?

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Edited November 11, 200817 yr by Nanook
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Thanks BethfromVA,

I knew you were a good peep, Nancy!:laugh:

Marriage is not a "right."

I disagree.

I know that some people (not you dear) must be skimming my post to find something they may be able to make a point against. Noone seems to have read the several several times I have said. Keep the marriage in the church (whatev) but if the government is going to recognize a marriage then they should do so for everyone. Fine, if you want to believe that marriage is a not a right (and your wrong) then consider it a priviledge. If not, don't recognize marriage at all (governmentally speaking)

I can't speak for everyone but that's how I feel. Honestly, I could care less about the church. It has never done anything for me.

It is prejudice, Beth. I don't think you are throwing rocks at me, it's how you believe...I belive you are wrong. That's okay, but saying everyone but these people can do this, well...it's prejudice in my opinion. Doesn't make you a bad person. I also think it's a learned thing. Which is how, like I said, I have hope for the future.

But I wish others, not you, would stop beating me over the head with their bible, it's giving me a headache.

As for the word "marriage" I have said upteen times in this thread to make marriage seperate from the government then noone would care. Because the church would marry who they want. Government should recognize civil unions. Peroid. Federally. Count them. How many times have I said that?

See, I am not fixated on the word marriage. Other people are and they are choosing to ignore anytime I say anything differently. Just as some straight people get their panties in a twist when you use the word marriage...so do some gay people.

The only reason I want it to be called "marriage" is for the reasons I listed a long time ago, that Ms.FF only chose to pick and choose through Just like people pick and choose their verses in the bible, just like the people seem to pick and choose where the seperation of church and state should start. It is because if I get "married" in california it must be recognized in louisiana, or arkansas, or florida, if my partner was dying in the hospital they would have to let me in, if she dies I would still get her pensions. If they didn't at least I would have a law suit to help further the cause. Every year we get closer to equality and fairness. The thing is there are still two accepted forms of prejudice in this world...fat people and gay people. I happen to be both.

Civil Unions are not recognized everywhere. Here in Louisiana there are no such things, so if I was civily unionized (hehe) in California, then as civil unions don't exist here, I would get nothing...as marriage is recognized here, I would.

Either let the government get out of the marriage business or let marriage be for everyone. One way or the other. Time will only tell which one happens first.

I understand that you don't mean anything negative to me personally. I appreciate that...but then you have to understand that I am a gay person. So it is really hard for me not to take offense, honestly. I am trying though. You have not offended me in this thread, though I highly disagree with you. This is more than a debate with me, but I think the subject should be up for debate. I'm glad it is. I think even with people who disagree I think it gets people thinking.

It's the Bible throwers that offend me, the comparison to child molesters, beastility, and sister marrying that offends me. And using God to beat people down that offends EVERYONE.

Your vote doesn't offend me. I just do not believe that it should be something we vote on, however. The majority is not always right.

I can be patient though, give us five years and we will have you outnumbered. :laugh: Then we can win the vote, and you marriage nazis can complain. Of course I mean that in the sweetest way. Mostly kidding.

Edited November 11, 200817 yr by ReadySteadyGo