Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

Does anyone know what a sine wave is?

Does anyone know what a sine wave is?

Some sort of sound wave, isn't it? That's about all I remember from the college physics class I took and failed.

For what it's worth, I apoligize for flying off the handle a few times. When I get into it with several people at the same time, and the digs and insults and sarcasm start coming at me, I have a hard time not responding in kind.

Thank you for apologizing. The thing is, Ron, sometimes you were attacking people that were simply giving honest answers, not being sarcastic or making digs at you. Of course, this led to more conflict, because if you are going to be attacked for being honest and sincere, you might as well get attacked for doing something worth being attacked for. And so it became a nasty cycle.

I think it's cool that you recognize your wife is still beautiful!

Are you kidding? I have to fight them off like dogs.

Hi Susan,

I have been in messianiac minsitry for over 30 years sharing the Gospel with Jews, and I can tell you first hand about the joy they receive when the first realize that Jesus if the Messiah they have waited for. That is why so many of them refer to themselves as completed Jews. Please check out my ministry website at: www.shiloh-ministries.org.

Ron

To share the Gospel with a Jew is not anti-semitic at all. If it were then all the writers of the New Testament would be anti-Semitic, since being Jews themselves, they all went all over the known world to tell other Jews of this great news. The Gospel is offered freely to all men. It is not a matter of coercion. It is a free gift, to be received gratefully to all who wish it. I wish I could explain these things without causing anger or distress. It is so precious to me that I want to share the wonder of it all with any who care to hear. But if they don't, well then, I will leave the conversation graciously. I used to be such a bitter, fervent christian-hater.....till God took me to the limit of myself and I hit the bottom. Oh happy day when my load was lifted and the Lord adopted me as His child!

Susan

Some sort of sound wave, isn't it? That's about all I remember from the college physics class I took and failed.

Notice the repeating highs and lows.

Tired Old Man,

If a muslim wanted to share his faith with me, I would be very interested in a civil discussion. I have had these conversations many times while living in muslim countries. We would each, of course, be committed to the truth of our own beliefs but that doesn't preclude civil conversation.

Susan

Tired Old Man,

If a muslim wanted to share his faith with me, I would be very interested in a civil discussion. I have had these conversations many times while living in muslim countries. We would each, of course, be committed to the truth of our own beliefs but that doesn't preclude civil conversation.

Susan

But how about when it is done for the express purpose of converting you?

And without you asking?

If a muslim wanted to share his faith with me, I would be very interested in a civil discussion. I have had these conversations many times while living in muslim countries. We would each, of course, be committed to the truth of our own beliefs but that doesn't preclude civil conversation.

Yes, but if he was serious and very persistant about converting you, always implying that your faith wasn't good enough, wouldn't you see that as an attack on your faith?

I was not aware that I was giving it back to anyone that did not throw it first! If I actually did that, it was wrong and I do apoligize. I felt like I was in the midst of a feeding frenzy of sharks, and I know as sure as I am alive, that so much of what was being said was pure lies and misinformation. I know my views about the Bible are not popular here, nevertheless, I believe them to be true, and for that, I make no apoligy.

Thank you for apologizing. The thing is, Ron, sometimes you were attacking people that were simply giving honest answers, not being sarcastic or making digs at you. Of course, this led to more conflict, because if you are going to be attacked for being honest and sincere, you might as well get attacked for doing something worth being attacked for. And so it became a nasty cycle.

that so much of what was being said was pure lies and misinformation.

Then you concede that could have occured on your side too?

Yes, but if he was serious and very persistant about converting you, always implying that your faith wasn't good enough, wouldn't you see that as an attack on your faith?

But Laurend, it is not a matter of one's faith not being good enough, it's a matter of which one is true? And of course many folks of different faiths will try to convert me, out of good intentions, and I respect that. But it all gets back to "Who ya gonna follow?" People seem to have lost the idea of the meaning of tolerance. It's not believing that "every religion is equally true" but true tolerance is allowing that person to hold whatever belief he chooses, whether I agree with it or not. Wow, this is great and I want to stay and chat but I have a vet appt for my pup so I have to go. Have a nice evening all!

Susan

Absolutely not. I can and have backed up everything I have said.

Then you concede that could have occured on your side too?

Yes, but if he was serious and very persistant about converting you, always implying that your faith wasn't good enough, wouldn't you see that as an attack on your faith?

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I will answer. Hope thats ok. I would welcome the discussion and would not be offended. I would expect nothing less than them trying to convert me if they were true to their beleifs. If you beleive strognly in your faith, I don't see why you would not want everyone to experience the same wonderful experiences you have. I would do the same in return. I have always said that I admire the faith and didication that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have. I am opposed to their beleifs, but have great admiration for them. I have told many that I wish people in my own faith could only have that kind of dedication dedication.

You will never be flamed by me (and I can't speak for everyone, but I am sure none of the other regulars who post here would either), so it will always be safe to say what you feel.

You may see things written that you do not like. You may be the kindest person in the world, but if you are voting the same way that KKK members or Neo-Nazi members constantly vote, you might not like to hear that people who vote that way are responsible for this or that, but they are. Maybe your vote was based on different intentions than the KKK members and Neo-Nazi members, or maybe the code words that KKK members and Neo-Nazi members use are unknown to you, but any statements about those issues can still be valid without it being a personal attack on you.

So enlighten me. How do KKK members and Neo-Nazi members vote? Because it seems to me that they'd vote for things like racial and religious segregation (which I wouldn't vote for).