I'm debating band vs sleeve and was wondering about this. Can the band work for 20 plus years or will it have to eventually be removed?

Ivy I didn't read Mis's post as attributing any of the quotes to you, I think you may have misread that. They were quotes from various other posts on this page, and she's right, those statements are no less extreme then saying 'I had success and so will EVERYONE'. I have always been respectful of you and anyone else who has had complications (I have had my own) but take a step back here. The only times you see someone like Mis get angry is when people post unreasonably. And it's UNREASONABLE to tell everyone that they are doomed if they get the band. And make huge claims about how long they've had the band, or how it's ruined their lives, but change their stories several times along the way.

Yes this IS the internet, and that's where the trolls are. Trolling is incredibly common - I'm a moderator on another forum and we see them regularly - same IP address but different names, stories, etc. Or inconsistent stories. Or just outright lies. And usually it's in threads where there are 'fights' so to speak, and one of the mottos we have adopted is our other forum is 'Don't feed the trolls'. In fact it's a rule, and it works really well. The more people fight over them, the more they enjoy it.

If this person is real, then my heart truly goes out to her, and to be honest I'm interested in hearing the details of her complications, but I'm NOT interested in her or anyone else standing like a loon in the town square telling me the sky is falling. Give me your facts, give me your experiences, don't give me hysteria.

If I continue to try to help people who are downright nasty in response, it makes me as stupid as those who can't see I'm trying to help. And I refuse to be that stupid.

So, good luck to you. Thanks for the advice. And I mean that in sincerity. I don't "do" passive aggressive. I am who I say I am. I speak truthfully and that just doesn't seem to be welcome here on this site.

Ivy I actually wasn't referring to you when I spoke about trolls, I was replying to your comment that assuming someone was a troll was ridiculous. I'm saying that is it not at all ridiculous, and in fact very common. It pays to be cautious of taking anything you read on the net from some faceless person sitting behind a keyboard as the gospel truth, and that includes me. That's why forums like this are great for information, but everyone needs to watch out for the crazy extremes from every side, because you just don't always know the motivations behind other people's posts, and like another poster here said, I *hope* people are smart enough to figure out inconsistencies for themselves.