Wow U Eat That!?

[doxipups 3]

I dont understand why you call it hog wash. Erosion happens because the band is too tight around the stomach and over eating pushes the band in to the stomach wall and the pressure causes that same band to erode. The band can not or will not erode unless it is too tight on the stomach or is placed incorrectly. Erosion happens but 9 times out of 10 it is the patients fault. You may not be in that 9 but it is mostly due to the patient not doing what they are supposed to do. Nsaids sitting in the pouch over and over again along with caffiene and soda (which we are told not to consume) will also cause erosion in the pouch.

I don't know where you get off indicating that the patient is to blame 90% of the time - that's just ridiculous - especially in relation to erosion. I hope you never have complications with your band - karma is a b***h.

[DELETE THIS ACCOUNT! 12,703]

You said it "...the band is too tight". This is the responsibility of the medical team, not the pt. I don't have erosion, but I am too tight, with no fill after losing 82 lb. If I develop erosion, it will be due to the band, not my eating habits. I only had 3.5 cc in my 11cc band, kept it loose on purpose. There are hundreds of stories just like mine and worse.

If a pt goes in for a fill and is given, say 5cc, thinks they are ok, but over time develops random tightness, GERD, etc AND is not well educated by their medical team (so they don't recognize the warning signs), is this the patient's fault? No. This exact scenario is being played out in the banded community over and over again. Go to other support sites, search band complications and you will see for yourself.

The patient who gets a band and the band doesn't perform as promised, or causes life threatening complications, is a victim. To blame the patient for the device's failure is to victimize the patient TWICE.

My band has helped me, but currently is injuring me...I'm thankful for the loss of 82lb, but for a 63 year old woman who has had over a dozen surgeries, the prospect of additional surgery is daunting. If my ins had covered it, I could have been done with one procedure, VSG, and saved myself a lot of trouble.

Being aware of potential complications, their symptoms, etc could save your life.

You're not going to like this, but it is most certainly the patient's fault for walking around with a band too tight. It's their responsibility to educate themselves and to know the warning signs. GERDS, vomiting, the inability to eat real food, all very clear warnings that something is wrong. Way too many get the band complete ignorant to the facts, including what the band is and isn't meant to do. They hop on these boards and howl "Oh I can eat anything! My band sucks!" or "I can still eat two huge servings, I need a fill!" because they are oblivious to what the band is, and isn't, supposed to do. Then, they go in demanding fill and end up too tight.

I agree, there are some shotty doctors out there just putting in bands without adequate patient education. But at the end of the day, it is our responsibility to educate ourselves, not anyone else's responsibility to coddle us and force feed us information.

It's pretty sad that people spend more time researching their cell phone carriers or what kind of car to buy than do a device a surgically implanted in their stomachs.

Just my two cents.

[Baba Wawa 543]

Too bad you didn't do this research before you were banded. Maybe we wouldn't have to be reading this. Obviously this research was available to you at the time.

Sorry for your bad experience BUT AGAIN YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Those who cry about band failure while belly up at ff restaurant have no one to blame but themselves.

I did my research...my medical team is great, but they are doing less and less bands and more revisions, VSG now because of experiences like mine. I was and am highly compliant. Please don't make assumptions. My purpose in responding to this point of view is to help that person who reads that they are at fault, when in fact they may NOT be, and encourage them to share their experience in a safe venue, away from bullies.

I once held the point of view that if I did everything "by the book" my band would be a lifetime device. Unfortunately, the band manufacturers no longer state this, saying it isn't a lifetime device.

Perhaps if you asked when I was banded, you would understand that the # of failures has escalated tremendously for the newer bands in the last 2 years. When I was preparing for surgery 3 years ago, the old 4cc band was cited as the one causing problems. The newer bands were being touted as "much safer, less prone to complications..."

Why do you assume that anyone who "cry about failure" are bellying up at the "ff restaurant"? That's just a mean stereotype!

Btw, the instructions that Allergan is giving for post op diet and eating habits keeps evolving as more and more complications surface.

[Baba Wawa 543]

You're not going to like this' date=' but it is most certainly the patient's fault for walking around with a band too tight. It's their responsibility to educate themselves and to know the warning signs. GERDS, vomiting, the inability to eat real food, all very clear warnings that something is wrong. Way too many get the band complete ignorant to the facts, including what the band is and isn't meant to do. They hop on these boards and howl "Oh I can eat anything! My band sucks!" or "I can still eat two huge servings, I need a fill!" because they are oblivious to what the band is, and isn't, supposed to do. Then, they go in demanding fill and end up too tight.

I agree, there are some shotty doctors out there just putting in bands without adequate patient education. But at the end of the day, it is our responsibility to educate ourselves, not anyone else's responsibility to coddle us and force feed us information.

It's pretty sad that people spend more time researching their cell phone carriers or what kind of car to buy than do a device a surgically implanted in their stomachs.

Just my two cents.[/quote']

Respectfully, it is the medical team that is our primary resource for education about warning signs. I had GERD pre op, so when it came on gradually, I didn't realize it was because I was too tight. Remember, I only had 3.5 cc in my band. It was the scar tissue, caused by the stomach churning (it's normal) under the band, that caused the tightness, not me over eating and distending the stomach. This is my point. To say ALL band failures are due to noncompliance is just wrong....

[cheryl2586 3,053]

Well the facts are that most band pts do over eat. The pouch is made to hold 2 oz of food and most eat more at a sitting then 2 oz of food. Most go for a cup of food or a cup and a half. If you have a pouch that only holds two ounces of food and put more in it then that your pouch is being forced in to the band causing erosion. Who said I was blaming you but I guarentee most are eating more then 2 oz of food in one sitting causing erosion. I dont care if you like it but its true.

[doxipups 3]

Well the facts are that most band pts do over eat. The pouch is made to hold 2 oz of food and most eat more at a sitting then 2 oz of food. Most go for a cup of food or a cup and a half. If you have a pouch that only holds two ounces of food and put more in it then that your pouch is being forced in to the band causing erosion. Who said I was blaming you but I guarentee most are eating more then 2 oz of food in one sitting causing erosion. I dont care if you like it but its true.

Such a nice sentiment from an "aspiring evangelist"

[Maddysgram 6,159]

You're not going to like this' date=' but it is most certainly the patient's fault for walking around with a band too tight. It's their responsibility to educate themselves and to know the warning signs. GERDS, vomiting, the inability to eat real food, all very clear warnings that something is wrong. Way too many get the band complete ignorant to the facts, including what the band is and isn't meant to do. They hop on these boards and howl "Oh I can eat anything! My band sucks!" or "I can still eat two huge servings, I need a fill!" because they are oblivious to what the band is, and isn't, supposed to do. Then, they go in demanding fill and end up too tight.

I agree, there are some shotty doctors out there just putting in bands without adequate patient education. But at the end of the day, it is our responsibility to educate ourselves, not anyone else's responsibility to coddle us and force feed us information.

It's pretty sad that people spend more time researching their cell phone carriers or what kind of car to buy than do a device a surgically implanted in their stomachs.

Just my two cents.[/quote']

I liked it!

I can't figure how it was medical teams fault if you're to tight. It is our responsibility to know if we should report on our band being too tight.

I know there are people out there who their band failed at no fault of their own.

But there is a larger group who got the band, decided to eat like they did pre band and then have problems.

You know I have been here everyday for over 7mths and I have seen the pattern.

That's why I tell every person even thinking about LB, research, research research.

[cheryl2586 3,053]

doxipupp whatever you think I really don't care. I have been banded long enough to know that reading everyone's post they eat way more then they are supposed to. Then you get filled and are tighter and still eat more then your supposed to. That is why people have issues with esophageal dilation and other problems. The pouch is made to hold two ounces if you eat more then that then be prepared for the problems. I dont care who doesnt like what I say. Most people eat more then they are supposed too.

[Maddysgram 6,159]

Respectfully' date=' it is the medical team that is our primary resource for education about warning signs. I had GERD pre op, so when it came on gradually, I didn't realize it was because I was too tight. Remember, I only had 3.5 cc in my band. It was the scar tissue, caused by the stomach churning (it's normal) under the band, that caused the tightness, not me over eating and distending the stomach. This is my point. To say ALL band failures are due to noncompliance is just wrong....[/quote']

Sweetheart, no one said "all band failures are due to noncompliance", a great majority are.

As far as how much is in my band, I don't care to know, my chart will know. I will be going by how I feel.

Everyone is absolutely right about ppl need a lot of education when it comes to having a band. Those who decide one day for surgery and two weeks later are banded, might run into trouble.

If things are getting worse & worse with the band, why are insurance companies changing their policies and excepting it?

[Baba Wawa 543]

http://www.lapband.com/en/live_healthy_lapband/months_beyond/dietary_guidelines/

Following Allergan's instructions for diet...4-5 cups of food divided into 3 meals = 1.3/1.6 cups per meal assuming fruit/veggie servings are 1oz each...

[Baba Wawa 543]

Sweetheart' date=' no one said "all band failures are due to noncompliance", a great majority are.

As far as how much is in my band, I don't care to know, my chart will know. I will be going by how I feel.

Everyone is absolutely right about ppl need a lot of education when it comes to having a band. Those who decide one day for surgery and two weeks later are banded, might run into trouble.

If things are getting worse & worse with the band, why are insurance companies changing their policies and excepting it?[/quote']

First off, "sweetheart" is extremely condescending. Second...you meant "accepting", not "excepting". Don't know if more insurance companies are covering it or not. Do know that many insurances are putting a "1 bariatric surgery per lifetime because of the ever increasing # of revisions, primarily of AGB and RNY patients.

If you read the thread you will see that several statements were made that imply or openly state that AGB failure is the fault of the patient...

[cheryl2586 3,053]

It doesnt say divide it in to three meals anywhere on that website you are assuming it is three meals.

[☠carolinagirl☠ 18,721]

if one follows their dr's instructions and listen to their body's for signs of something wrong

what else can one do?..... things happen.

all surgeries have complications. the band can fail or whatever.

some people have problems and some dont

bitching to each other about whose right or wrong and spewing hogwash solves nothing.

each of us are different and each of us

have different dr's and we all just gotta do what we intended to do when we had this surery

get well/healty and lose weight.

maddy, you can call me sweetheart anytime.

[Baba Wawa 543]

It doesnt say divide it in to three meals anywhere on that website you are assuming it is three meals.

Yep it does....

http://www.lapband.com/en/live_healthy_lapband/months_beyond/

[cheryl2586 3,053]

Do what you want this is ending on my end. If you choose to eat more then you're supposed to then do it. It's not affecting me one bit. I have been successful so eat how you want and when you want. Done here.