43% Pay NO Federal Income Tax - ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

[BJean 16]

You all accuse me of going off the deep end? Yeah. Right. There's no discussion on this tread.

It's like some of the threads that turn all religious. There's just no talking to some people. They know it all. They're sure of that because they have all the evidence in print. In religious cases, it's mostly the Bible they cite. With you all, it's all the right wing propaganda that is put out all over the media. You're convinced and there's no slowing down to consider a different viewpoint. You're just as pleasant to exchange ideas with as religious fanatics. Geez louise.

[BJean 16]

Jack, you're a little different breed. You still have a slam dunk right wing outlook, but you at least try to appear to have given opposing viewpoints a little serious consideration. Mind you I'm not sure that you really have, but at least you are aware how of how your credibility suffers if you don't appear to be open to other ideas from time to time.

[BethFromVA 5]

There's just no talking to some people. They know it all.

How well we know, BJean. We've been saying it about your kind for some time now. :frown:

[BJean 16]

Hee, hee, hee. I'm glad that you're keeping your delightful sense of humor, Jack. I know that for me, it isn't always easy.

You're right about Pelosi's senior moments of course. And I have to confess to a few of my own *she says in disgust*.

And I do know that the Democratic party has slid a little - particularly in opposition to the extreme sliding that the Republican party has done. However the Democratic party has always championed the little guy, the environment, education for our children, unemployment and all those things that the Republicans seem to think will take care of themselves. At least they have "always" had those concerns since I've been aware of Democratic platforms.

My parents were politically active in their community and my dad ran for public office on two occasions. He served in the state senate for a while and as a child of that household, I was exposed to a lot of politics in general. So I come by my "leanings" honestly (inherited/endoctrinated) and they are deeply ingrained in my soul.

As an adult under my own steam (located in a completely different State in fact), I also became involved directly in politics from time to time and nothing ever managed to sway me in the least to the other side - that of big business interests and the "no tax, no spend" theory and the "all government is bad" viewpoint. In fact, the more exposure I've had to the people on the other side of the fence, the more convinced I became that my parents were right.

As for today, I think we are suffering from the pendulum swing effect where over the past 15 years or so, the pendulum rose higher and higher on the right side. Now it is beginning to lower itself and we should probably get ready for a swing that goes too far to the left. I would be happy if someday I could actually live in a time when it settled in the middle and became as fair to everyone as possible.

In the meantime, I find it very unfair that President Obama is being called a socialist and other ridiculous things because if we have ever had a president who is actually more centered, I believe it is him. He has some serious work to do to get the pendulum drifting downward again, but I do not believe that he is the socialist that some like to accuse him of being. I think he is as conservative as a Democrat can be. In fact, due to my left leanings, some of his decisions scare me a little. But I have to admit that I believe that he is not a dishonest man and that he is going to ultimately be good for this country.

That is one reason why this particular thread is so annoying to me. The second being that what people here are suggesting as a solution to our fiscal problems has already been tried and shown that has never worked to the advantage of the average American. And the average American citizen is my concern. As a Democrat.

You, as opposed to me, are concentrated on a line by line criticism and dissection of every move every Democrat makes. I have to look at the bigger picture because I kow that the nitty gritty can make you crazy. I am already crazy enough for the both of us. So you keep up what you're doing and I will continue to be who I am. End of story, I think.

[BJean 16]

Takes one to know one, Beth.

That's silly of course, but your posts make me want to resort to playground tactics because they are so completely infantile. And I mean that in only the most complimentary way. :frown:

[BethFromVA 5]

Takes one to know one, Beth.

That's silly of course, but your posts make me want to resort to playground tactics because they are so completely infantile. And I mean that in only the most complimentary way. :frown:

You mean I made ya do it? :thumbup:

So what is it, I have that much power or you have that little self control? :thumbup:

[BethFromVA 5]

The list in post #123 is an example I'd like you to simply point out....WHERE is it wrong in assertion of facts relating to appointees? All those facts were in the news over a period of weeks, yet....lets pretend they don't mean anything, is that the game plan?

Apparently only for some on the left. If those things were listed about anybody on the right, you know dang well she would be all up in arms -- and THEN the printed word would be a viable source of information!

[BJean 16]

Duuudes, I can't tell you how many times I helpfully listed all of Bush's transgressions, in fact I even helped out by listing some of Bush I's, but you all booed and hissed and said I was all wet. Interesting how it feels when the shoe's on the other foot, eh?

[BJean 16]

Btw, I really didn't give a rat's patootie about Clinton's transgressions or who gave him a b.j., but when it came to involving an intern in the White House, even I had to draw the line. I will never forgive that rat for that. And I still don't feel too great about the little missus either.

As a side note, my feelings had nothing to do with the religious inappropriateness of Clinton's behavior, or the fact that he made a mockery of his wedding vows, it had to do with compromising the office of the president of the United States and the way it could have jepordized the safety of this country.

[BethFromVA 5]

Duuudes, I can't tell you how many times I helpfully listed all of Bush's transgressions, in fact I even helped out by listing some of Bush I's, but you all booed and hissed and said I was all wet. Interesting how it feels when the shoe's on the other foot, eh?

I wasn't here then.

But again, it shows that even YOU hold dear to things you find in print -- but only if they are anti-Bush. And you say that we have issues looking at all the information presented us?? Hell, I was ALSO riding Bush for many of the decisions he made and things he did. Yet you apparently don't have the ability to speak TRUTH if that truth goes against your messiah. That's a true shame, and it shows your inability to see what's really going on.

[BethFromVA 5]

Btw, I really didn't give a rat's patootie about Clinton's transgressions or who gave him a b.j., but when it came to involving an intern in the White House, even I had to draw the line. I will never forgive that rat for that. And I still don't feel too great about the little missus either.

As a side note, my feelings had nothing to do with the religious inappropriateness of Clinton's behavior, or the fact that he made a mockery of his wedding vows, it had to do with compromising the office of the president of the United States and the way it could have jepordized the safety of this country.

Fair enough.

[BJean 16]

We'll see. We'll see.

[BethFromVA 5]

re: "we'll pay it off the same way we will pay off the astronomical debt of the Iraq war and the Bush administration debacle:

I'm all for getting this out in front of us: to date the Iraqi War has not cost as much as AIG all by itself was recently GIVEN just last month.

Now, let's all get credible.

THANK YOU, Jack! Omg, I missed this. I guess it's because I just can't stomach to thoroughly read a lot of what she says.

This guy spent more in the first 60 DAYS in office than ALL PRIOR PRESIDENTS did COMBINED. But I guess she would only read and utilize this information if Bush pulled the criminal antics that the Bama is.

[plain 12]

I think he is as conservative as a Democrat can be.

What? Seriously? Because that would explain a LOT of your debating points to me.

[BJean 16]

Jack, how much money has been spent on the Iraq war to date?