Bet you're sorry you voted for Obama now

[BJean 16]

I agree Larraine. Greed made the hit list of the Seven Deadly Sins for a darned good reason!

[katklaws 0]

hahahah. Are you delusional? Check your facts. This is not even CLOSE to socialism. And everything tanked under Bush.

A Final Weekend of Whoppers? | FactCheck.org

Despite the fact that the federal health insurance plan (a.k.a. the “public option”) is now gone from the bill, Republicans and conservative groups have continued to claim that the bill institutes a system like the one in the United Kingdom, or Canada, or otherwise amounts to a government takeover. It doesn’t. A pure government-run system was never among the leading Democratic proposals, much to the chagrin of single-payer advocates. Instead, the bill builds on our current system of private insurance, and in fact, drums up more business for private companies by mandating that individuals buy coverage and giving many subsidies to do so. There would be increased government regulation of the insurance industry, however, to require companies to cover preexisting conditions, for example. These “government-run” claims have also included heavy criticism of health care in the U.K., such as the outrageous assertion by former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop that seniors would be “too old” to qualify for artificial joints and pacemakers in the U.K. The majority of those getting joint replacements and pacemakers in the U.K. are, not surprisingly, seniors.

We are now socialist, one step away from communism, the red menace.

I wish Mr. Bush could have run again, he would have wiped the floor with that Osama.

Look at this economy, it was never this bad under Mr. Bush

Spend, Spend, Spend, Who's got the money? Aww, it's alright we'll make more

[KartMan 58]

And if you don't have healthcare because you simply don't need/want it, you'll be fined by the govt for not having it.

Jre1974, I am usually pretty good at following the LBT rules and addressing the issue and not attacking the person. However, whenever I see this particular argument, I just want to scream at the lunacy of such a comment.

Everyone NEEDS healthcare, it’s really that simple. We are all human and we all at one time or another will have a human malady that will need to be addressed with some sort of medical care. In most of the cases, if that person that needs care does not have insurance because they didn’t “want it” or thought they didn’t “need it” they will either go untreated, die of their ailment, or go onto some sort of public system (like walking into the ER). None of those solutions are acceptable and all cost the economy far more than Universal Health care would cost.

Unfortunately this Bill is not Universal Health Care, it is not Medicare for all, and does not have a Public Option. This is a first step in the right direction and it certainly addresses a lot of the problems with the current system. I just hope we find a way to add to it to make it better.

My Plan:

Apply an appropriate percentage of Medicare Tax on ALL income and give everyone Basic Medical coverage under a centrally administered Medicare Program. The basic plan would include well doctor visits, routine medical/dental care, medical necessities, and critical care and that’s it. Anything deemed elective or above and beyond “basic” care could be addressed with supplemental medical insurance bought on the open market. This could be done the same way our public school system works. We all pay taxes so that every child is guaranteed the right (not privilege) to attend K-12 education. If parents choose to supplement the public education, they are free to send their kids to private schools, add supplemental tutoring, enroll in out of school extracurricular activities, etc. It just seems so simple to me, but then I’m just a regular guy and not a politician.

Edited March 22, 2010 by KartMan

[phil1336 0]

I`ve always said, I hope when I`m "grown up" I can be rich enough to afford an Ocean Front Mansion, fly a 50 ft tall American Flag, that "Shouts" my Patriotism, drive a Bentley and vote solidly Republican! Yikes...........it was a bad dream after all. I woke up an screamed.....Rush Limbaugh was my next door neighbor. Moral of the story, Life`s too short to drink cheap beer!

[BJean 16]

phil, you nut. You're 64. Your personal data sez so. You're already grown up. So move in next door to Rush and make him share some of his prescripts with you. But don't be surprised if it makes you a raving maniac. And don't expect your insurance company to pay for the drugs. And if they do cover your drugs, don't expect anything but lesser generic drug buzzes.

A Bentley eh? I actually drive a Jaguar XK8. Eat your heart out. Seriously haven't had it long. It's not in the neighborhood of a Bentley but it's all mine and it's a blast! Of course when cute guys see my chubby butt climbing in and out of it, they might be put off a little, but if I get the sleeve and make my goal, I'm gonna be dangerous!

[phil1336 0]

phil, you nut. You're 64. Your personal data sez so. You're already grown up. So move in next door to Rush and make him share some of his prescripts with you. But don't be surprised if it makes you a raving maniac. And don't expect your insurance company to pay for the drugs. And if they do cover your drugs, don't expect anything but lesser generic drug buzzes.

A Bentley eh? I actually drive a Jaguar XK8. Eat your heart out. Seriously haven't had it long. It's not in the neighborhood of a Bentley but it's all mine and it's a blast! Of course when cute guys see my chubby butt climbing in and out of it, they might be put off a little, but if I get the sleeve and make my goal, I'm gonna be dangerous!

bjean.......Just checking if your paying attention...LMAO. I threw that out there figuring that a Teabagger might bite. After PG jacked me up throwing her provocative grenades over the past few months, just had an urge to toss one myself!

[pattygreen 5]

It amazes me that everyone thinks they are going to end up with free healthcare now that this has happened...I overheard some people talking in the check out line at the store the other day about how when this health care bill passes, they are going to get free healthcare...I just had to shake my head...I wanted to say that, No, you're not going to get free healthcare...as a matter of fact, if you have healthcare, now you're going to have to pay a 40% tax on your premiums in order to pay for all the illegal aliens and welfare people to have free healthcare.

And if you don't have healthcare because you simply don't need/want it, you'll be fined by the govt for not having it. And watch how many people get laid off because the govt is going to mandate that employers offer their workers healthcare, or they get fined $2000 per employee...Oh yeah, and don't forget the educational issues that were hidden in this bill..now it is illegal for you to get student loans through any other lender, except for the federal govt....

Every poll out there shows that a majority of the people in this country are NOT in favor of this bill, so how can the Dems say they are representing the people by passing this monstrosity? Its amazing...

I only hope there is a True Conservative that runs in 2012. If there is a true conservative out there who runs, they will win because the American people are tired of this crap.

Finally! Someone posting here that I can agree with! So true what you say. They just don't get it, but they will.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Finally! Someone posting here that I can agree with! So true what you say. They just don't get it, but they will.

It's you guys who don't get it. All of us on here have proven you wrong over and over again but you refuse to allow facts to interfere with your opinions. You just keep repeating the lies, distortions, myths and untruths over and over again.:confused:

[tdslf1 0]

Originally Posted by jre1974

It amazes me that everyone thinks they are going to end up with free healthcare now that this has happened...I overheard some people talking in the check out line at the store the other day about how when this health care bill passes, they are going to get free healthcare...I just had to shake my head...I wanted to say that, No, you're not going to get free healthcare...as a matter of fact, if you have healthcare, now you're going to have to pay a 40% tax on your premiums in order to pay for all the illegal aliens and welfare people to have free healthcare.

And if you don't have healthcare because you simply don't need/want it, you'll be fined by the govt for not having it. And watch how many people get laid off because the govt is going to mandate that employers offer their workers healthcare, or they get fined $2000 per employee...Oh yeah, and don't forget the educational issues that were hidden in this bill..now it is illegal for you to get student loans through any other lender, except for the federal govt....

Every poll out there shows that a majority of the people in this country are NOT in favor of this bill, so how can the Dems say they are representing the people by passing this monstrosity? Its amazing...

I only hope there is a True Conservative that runs in 2012. If there is a true conservative out there who runs, they will win because the American people are tired of this crap.

This first paragraph is just a sample of the misconceptions people have about the bill. I think the tax is on higher income people, not the poor, who probably will get the chance to get free health care. Single people who make 40k a year can afford some form of healthcare. People below that figure, probably not. The above referenced people are ill informed that is why paragraph number two carries any weight. Simple phrase. "When one knows better they do better." When simple people know whats in the bill, they make better observations about it. But since we have retards like Beck and Limbutt who have hypnotized the collectively uninformed, we have confusion. The True conservative screamed out "baby killer" in the House. Good luck with getting characters like that elected.

[LeighaMason 19]

Just like people of my generation can not conceive of life before social security, 30 years from now our kids/ grandkids will be saying "You mean they use to just let people who couldn't afford health care die?" They wont be able to believe that there was ever an argument about this, and people from our generation won't ever admit they were against it.

[pattygreen 5]

Just like people of my generation can not conceive of life before social security, 30 years from now our kids/ grandkids will be saying "You mean they use to just let people who couldn't afford health care die?" They wont be able to believe that there was ever an argument about this, and people from our generation won't ever admit they were against it.

No they wont. They'll be blaming thier folks for allowing the government to have such control of their lives and blaming them for the tremendous debt that they had to inherit. Just like we blame all of those in the past for the sham called Social security and the bill we have to keep paying and all the other government programs that are in bankruptcy.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

No they wont. They'll be blaming thier folks for allowing the government to have such control of their lives and blaming them for the tremendous debt that they had to inherit. Just like we blame all of those in the past for the sham called Social security and the bill we have to keep paying and all the other government programs that are in bankruptcy.

The government is bankrupt? Well, by contrast, I guess that means that private industry is doing just fine. Oh wait, they aren't. GM, Chrysler, Lehman Brothers, AIG, Bear Stearns, Countrywide, etc.. Didn't they go bankrupt playing russian roulette with our money? Hmmm. How can that be if the government is the problem?

It wasn't our government that got us into the economic disaster that we faced in the fall 2008, it was corporate america.

Eleven scariest words in the English language: I am a wall street bank and I want your money.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

No they wont. They'll be blaming thier folks for allowing the government to have such control of their lives and blaming them for the tremendous debt that they had to inherit. Just like we blame all of those in the past for the sham called Social security and the bill we have to keep paying and all the other government programs that are in bankruptcy.

Social Security a sham? Every month millions of people get their checks on time. Every month, every one of them. Now, by contrast, how's that 401(k) and retirement plan working out for you the last couple of years? Mine tanked like everyone else's.

Government plan: 1

Private Plan: 0

[tdslf1 0]

I could have sworn that all those "socialized" programs are still around, Social security being one of them. Name a percentage that feels SS is wrong and i'll show you what single digit means....minority.

[BJean 16]

patty: "No they wont. They'll be blaming thier folks for allowing the government to have such control of their lives and blaming them for the tremendous debt that they had to inherit. Just like we blame all of those in the past for the sham called Social security and the bill we have to keep paying and all the other government programs that are in bankruptcy."

Ha, ha, ha, patty you crack me up. You silly, silly girl.