We see them all the time. Hell, maybe we'll write one someday...

OMG, I've regained! What do I do???????

You know what I like to do?

I like to go back in that person's post history and read about their diet habits in the beginning when they were losing....get a feel for what kind of dieter they were.

And I almost always find that the re-gainers....were super strict, super disciplined, never-touch-a-carb, low calorie extremists.

And it kills me...because the advice to these folks is always the same.....get back on your super strict diet! up your protein! don't touch a carb!

And I'm sitting here shaking my head.

Why do people return to what doesn't work? Over and over and over. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Don't mean to just pick on our Ketovangelists....there are plenty of Passive Pollys out there who ate junk constantly, never kept track....and wonder why their weight went back up after the honeymoon.

My point is.....if a particular strategy ends in failure.....why in the world would you return to it? Why encourage someone to return to what didn't work longterm?

if the goal is longterm maintenance....why send them back to another stop-gap measure that fails them in the long run?

Ketovangelists....try something different if extremely low cal and carbs doesn't work long term for you! If you eventually lose your mind and fall off the wagon, maybe the wagon you're on doesn't fit. Try something more moderate so you can stay in control long term.

Passive Pollys....try something different! If a total lack of structure is resulting in your surgery being useless.....add some freaking framework to your diet. Work on healthy limits without going completely overboard. Be accountable.

More and more, I believe an addiction to EXTREMISM is what keeps people fat. So many of these folks are either "I must be in COMPLETE CONTROL"...or "I am helpless against my eating"....there's never any middle ground.

Stop with the extremism.

Knock that shite off.

It's hurting you.

Powerful message! I hope to be sensible about this whole new world I've joined. It's a learning process and I'm trying to absorb and seek out as much knowledge as I can.

Plenty of us who eat that way aren’t retainers either though. It’s not a road that’s doomed to fail.

I think as we study and learn more we will be able to tell by your genes who will do well on what diet. But we are still in the dark ages.

There isn’t any one size fits all. I did the high carb low fat diets in the 90’s and those always ended in me falling off the wagon and regaining. I was quite strict on the low carb train till I got to goal. I’m still pretty low carb but I don’t stress about them a bit here and there.

I’m five year out and it works just great for me.

I know your plan is working for you (so far). Can’t we just all realize that there is no one size fits all answer? I know you’re certain your plan will be the answer for you. And time will tell, but since I think a big part of this is mental, I think it will.

But you make it sound like being a “carb nazi” means you’re doomed to fail.

I didn’t.  It’s not a stop gap measure for me.  It’s a lifestyle change and it works just fine. 

Of course, if you set your goal at a point you are still considered overweight that makes it a bit easier to maintain.

I eat plenty of carbs, just not processed crap (microwave muffins, chips, cookies, candy) or starchy carbs and very little fruit because I don't like it. I eat healthy vegetables and healthy fats at every meal as well as lean protein (chicken/fish) and I really do not feel deprived.

Edited July 22, 20188 yr by MIZ60

7 hours ago, MIZ60 said:

Of course, if you set your goal at a point you are still considered overweight that makes it a bit easier to maintain.

i'm not overweight, MIZ. Nor was Arnold Schwarzenegger overweight when he won Mr. Universe in spite of the fact that his BMI was in the obese range.

My percentage of body fat is normal and healthy per my doctor and my weight on a underwater scale. BMI is a very flawed measurement...you would know this if you researched it.

Edited July 22, 20188 yr by Creekimp13

To help with the ignorance expressed about this topic:)

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106268439

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/11736796/Why-you-should-never-judge-a-man-by-his-BMI.html

17 hours ago, jess9395 said:

But you make it sound like being a “carb nazi” means you’re doomed to fail.

No. Read what I wrote again. I'm saying if people fail repeatedly on low cal and keto they need better advice than "you need to do low cal and keto."

I absolutely agree that there is no "one size fits all" which is why the same advice over and over (even when linked to previous multiple failures) seems so tedious to me.

5 hours ago, Creekimp13 said:

i'm not overweight, MIZ. Nor was Arnold Schwarzenegger overweight when he won Mr. Universe in spite of the fact that his BMI was in the obese range.

My percentage of body fat is normal and healthy per my doctor and my weight on a underwater scale. BMI is a very flawed measurement...you would know this if you researched it.

Well, this is the first time you compared yourself to a male professional bodybuilder in his 30s....you SAID you were an ape but now I am not sure. Maybe your doctor is going by the male charts for weight and body fat. Is there more to this story? BMI is reasonably accurate for most outside of professional athletes and bodybuilders. Per one of my mentors, "that number (pounds) does not follow you around but that a$$ does". You can use data from your doctor any way you want to justify staying overweight. Not my circus, not my ape....

I am the same height as you and fairly large boned and at age 46 I effortlessly kept my weight at 150-155 and always lost down to about 145 in the months before our annual ski trip to Lake Tahoe so I would feel more comfortable in skin tight ski pants. I then started gaining weight (perimenopause) overeating carbs for several year. I found Atkins at age 50 and went from 220 to 180 about 9 years ago and I still felt and looked fat. However, I decided to end a 30 year nicotine addiction thinking I was on a roll. I went OFF the low carb diet I was on and started eating the carbage you promote. Low carb did not fail, I STOPPED DOING IT. The rest is history...

Eating fruit, potatoes and muffins is not going to get me where I personally want to be. Hope that continues to "work" for you.

On 22.7.2018 at 4:15 PM, MIZ60 said:

Of course, if you set your goal at a point you are still considered overweight that makes it a bit easier to maintain.

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I eat healthy vegetables and healthy fats at every meal as well as lean Protein (chicken/fish) and I really do not feel deprived.

Of course someone who had surgery not even three months ago is still talking down from this special high horse.

@Creekimp13: discussions like these are one of the reasons I'm not keen on posting (or even reading) more. Three likes at least for your original post. (and of course people won't really take you seriously until you're prancing around the board with a BMI of 21.00231 or so on your profile so don't even try )

Thanks Summerset:)

It's all good.

I LOVE my body:) Could not be happier with my results and wouldn't pick a lighter goal if you paid me (the rudeness and ignorance of others be damned). My doctor's goal weight for me was 172-178 per my body fat analysis. I've already undershot that by a few pounds. My skin is recovering pretty well in most areas, My muscle mass is AWESOME and I look strong and healthy. I not only look pretty damned good...I feel beautiful and like I could climb a mountain. Come to think of it...I sorta have:)

Edited July 23, 20188 yr by Creekimp13

"Ketovangelists"!! I'm dying!!! LOL. I'm totally stealing that to start calling my "Keto is the only way" coworkers! Talking about "egg fasts" and "carnivore diet" No. Just no.

2 hours ago, summerset said:

Of course someone who had surgery not even three months ago is still talking down from this special high horse.

@Creekimp13: discussions like these are one of the reasons I'm not keen on posting (or even reading) more. Three likes at least for your original post. (and of course people won't really take you seriously until you're prancing around the board with a BMI of 21.00231 or so on your profile so don't even try )

And of course someone who had surgery 17 years ago, failed and then a repeat 2 years ago does not even post their statss....your opinion really means a lot. Why don't you tell YOUR story of regain and where your are now. But jump in and run your mouth. pure class.

There is no high horse, I am just working hard on making the changes I need to to feel better and be healthier. I don't seek or need the approval of others but I am fed up with the bullying that occurs on this site. I come here for information and friendship only. I do not need to try to denigrate others for their choices or make others feel like they are ignorant. You want to eat a ton of carbs that is your decision.

Much easier to jump on that carbage bandwagon and have a muffin with the delusional and very rude queen of crappy carbs. Most people on here do not need to tear others down with their delusional stupidity but clearly you do.

Edited July 23, 20188 yr by MIZ60

1 hour ago, Creekimp13 said:

Thanks Summerset:)

It's all good.

I LOVE my body:) Could not be happier with my results and wouldn't pick a lighter goal if you paid me (the rudeness and ignorance of others be damned). My doctor's goal weight for me was 172-178 per my body fat analysis. I've already undershot that by a few pounds. My skin is recovering pretty well in most areas, My muscle mass is AWESOME and I look strong and healthy. I not only look pretty damned good...I feel beautiful and like I could climb a mountain. Come to think of it...I sorta have:)

Of course we have to take your word for it since you never post any sort of a progress photo....I am glad you have such a high opinion of yourself. I think you are the most rude, judgmental and insecure person I have encountered on here and you have a deep need to bully others to help you feel better. You may feel beautiful but your soul is ugly.

Kind of ironic @MIZ60 believes @Creekimp13 is a bully.

"soul is ugly" "very rude queen of crappy carbs" "jump in and run your mouth. pure class"

So ... @Creekimp13 has strong opinions. That's great, where would this board be without them? She and I have disagreed. But you know what, we disagreed respectfully, because Creek's way wouldn't work for me, and my way wouldn't work for Creek, but you know what, it's works for each of us.

It is a simple fact that for most people, diets that limit the foods that you can eat do not work long term. Of course there are exceptions, but if these diets were easy to stick to, how many of us would have needed WLS? Just Google to see the research done on this.

BTW, I weigh the same as Creek, I'm 3 inches shorter, and I LOVE the way I look (in clothes) . Are you going to tell me I shouldn't?

Plenty of us who eat that way aren’t retainers either though. It’s not a road that’s doomed to fail.

I think as we study and learn more we will be able to tell by your genes who will do well on what diet. But we are still in the dark ages.

There isn’t any one size fits all. I did the high carb low fat diets in the 90’s and those always ended in me falling off the wagon and regaining. I was quite strict on the low carb train till I got to goal. I’m still pretty low carb but I don’t stress about them a bit here and there.

I’m five year out and it works just great for me.

I know your plan is working for you (so far). Can’t we just all realize that there is no one size fits all answer? I know you’re certain your plan will be the answer for you. And time will tell, but since I think a big part of this is mental, I think it will.

But you make it sound like being a “carb nazi” means you’re doomed to fail.

I didn’t. It’s not a stop gap measure for me. It’s a lifestyle change and it works just fine.

Jess,
your program still wants you to eat low carb 5 years out while in maintenance? How long will you stay that way? Can you give us an idea number and or menu wise what a typical day looks like for you? I hear a lot if varying info , a lot of people saying they will add carbs back once they are I'm maintenance... Is that not likely?
Thanks!

VSG2017 HW 249 SW 238 CW 167

1 hour ago, sillykitty said:

Kind of ironic @MIZ60 believes @Creekimp13 is a bully.

"soul is ugly" "very rude queen of crappy carbs" "jump in and run your mouth. pure class"

So ... @Creekimp13 has strong opinions. That's great, where would this board be without them? She and I have disagreed. But you know what, we disagreed respectfully, because Creek's way wouldn't work for me, and my way wouldn't work for Creek, but you know what, it's works for each of us.

It is a simple fact that for most people, diets that limit the foods that you can eat do not work long term. Of course there are exceptions, but if these diets were easy to stick to, how many of us would have needed WLS? Just Google to see the research done on this.

BTW, I weigh the same as Creek, I'm 3 inches shorter, and I LOVE the way I look (in clothes) . Are you going to tell me I shouldn't?

Not sure if there is a point here but I believe every person should love the way they look no matter what but that is not always as easy as it sounds. If you are happy with yourself and your appearance that is all that matters and you should stay right where you are. For me, weight loss is much more about health and enjoying my life than how I look. I want to be as healthy as possible for as long as possible and I am amazed this is happening to me at age 60.

Creekimp13 is much more than strong opinions--she IS a bully.. She is convinced that her way is the only right way and constantly criticizes and denigrates others who do not eat like her calling them stupid names and predicting their failure. She has insulted and denigrated me and my profession while showing her self-satisfied ignorance and denigrated and insulted others on here, stating their diet caused all their health problems and saying we are all going to need a kidney transplant because we don't eat a crapload of carbs. I am not a "ketoevangelist" and have researched the difference between the various diets....one size does not fit all.

Someone who used stats of a professional male bodybuilder to justify her overweight BMI is just ridiculous. I do not care what she says she weighs or what she says she eats but there is no reason to be so nasty about it. I have not encountered anyone else on here that is so dismissive and disrespectful of others.

Great she has a couple of buddies to jump in here and defend her