We see them all the time. Hell, maybe we'll write one someday...

OMG, I've regained! What do I do???????

You know what I like to do?

I like to go back in that person's post history and read about their diet habits in the beginning when they were losing....get a feel for what kind of dieter they were.

And I almost always find that the re-gainers....were super strict, super disciplined, never-touch-a-carb, low calorie extremists.

And it kills me...because the advice to these folks is always the same.....get back on your super strict diet! up your protein! don't touch a carb!

And I'm sitting here shaking my head.

Why do people return to what doesn't work? Over and over and over. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Don't mean to just pick on our Ketovangelists....there are plenty of Passive Pollys out there who ate junk constantly, never kept track....and wonder why their weight went back up after the honeymoon.

My point is.....if a particular strategy ends in failure.....why in the world would you return to it? Why encourage someone to return to what didn't work longterm?

if the goal is longterm maintenance....why send them back to another stop-gap measure that fails them in the long run?

Ketovangelists....try something different if extremely low cal and carbs doesn't work long term for you! If you eventually lose your mind and fall off the wagon, maybe the wagon you're on doesn't fit. Try something more moderate so you can stay in control long term.

Passive Pollys....try something different! If a total lack of structure is resulting in your surgery being useless.....add some freaking framework to your diet. Work on healthy limits without going completely overboard. Be accountable.

More and more, I believe an addiction to EXTREMISM is what keeps people fat. So many of these folks are either "I must be in COMPLETE CONTROL"...or "I am helpless against my eating"....there's never any middle ground.

Stop with the extremism.

Knock that shite off.

It's hurting you.

So now we are up to bully, racist and privileged....but for sure, don't call anybody names. Somebody needs a blankie and a safe place..Maybe that is a new topic idea...

We beeeeeeen changed the subject

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2 minutes ago, Tealael said:

We beeeeeeen changed the subject

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whatever that means....

Agreed! Thought you were moving on MIZ. I’m over your attitude and I’m sure the others are too.

whatever that means....

It means I decided to move forward with the conversation about regain. The subsequent questions and responses were about that. We are going to try and move on.

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whatever that means....

It means I decided to move forward with the conversation about regain. The subsequent questions and responses were about that. We are going to try and move on.

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4 minutes ago, KCgirl061 said:

Agreed! Thought you were moving on MIZ. I’m over your attitude and I’m sure the others are too.

Thanks for you one and only post on the thread....lol...you obviously have a lot to contribute.

5 minutes ago, Tealael said:

It means I decided to move forward with the conversation about regain. The subsequent questions and responses were about that. We are going to try and move on.

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oh, okay, I just did not quite get the grammer….maybe we done changed the subject?

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2 hours ago, Tealael said:

I really wish there were more VETS around to give us the real scoop on regain. I really want hear from people who have experience in the matter, I started a thread for it months ago, not one person responded that I could tell. I think they are all gone...

Maybe because all people on here want to hear on subjects like "losing weight" and "maintaining" and "regain" are variations of the following standard phrases:

- follow your program

- do the five day pouch test

- drink only plain water

- don't eat carbs

- eat "lean protein" with every meal

- go to the gym five days a week

- you just have to try harder

Write anything that's not in line with this and you can see a lot of people going very wild. Why should anyone be keen on writing about the "real scoop" the way they experienced it when the reactions they'll be getting will be most likely far from positive?

Maybe because all people on here want to hear on subjects like "losing weight" and "maintaining" and "regain" are variations of the following standard phrases:
- follow your program
- do the five day pouch test
- drink only plain Water
- don't eat carbs
- eat "lean protein" with every meal
- go to the gym five days a week
- you just have to try harder
Write anything that's not in line with this and you can see a lot of people going very wild. Why should anyone be keen on writing about the "real scoop" the way they experienced it when the reactions they'll be getting will be most likely far from positive?

True, maybe something with comments disabled? Maybe I want too much...

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I don’t have to contribute to a thread to read and learn from it. I’m preop, so I don’t have any experience to contribute. And I’ve read and learned NOTHING from your “contributions” if you can call them that. I’m trying to learn from people’s experiences and have to sort through your insults to Creek instead. Crap that doesn’t even make sense like some bull about Apes.... geez.

7 minutes ago, Tealael said:

True, maybe something with comments disabled? Maybe I want too much...

I don't know. Truth is, I don't think I would have that much to say about regain and getting rid of the weight again.

I had some regain when I stopped smoking - that's when I got seriously into the strategies of "normal eating". No diet, no exercise program, no being-harder-on-myself. I got rid of the weight again without struggle.

Reactions I've got? "Oh, but we can't ever trust ourselves with food!!!"

Hm.

9 minutes ago, KCgirl061 said:

I don’t have to contribute to a thread to read and learn from it. I’m preop, so I don’t have any experience to contribute. And I’ve read and learned NOTHING from your “contributions” if you can call them that. I’m trying to learn from people’s experiences and have to sort through your insults to Creek instead. Crap that doesn’t even make sense like some bull about Apes.... geez.

Creek referred to herself as an ape in a previous thread....you missed it. But go ahead and chime in there....if you haven't had surgery is regain really a concern for you? Or did you just see a chance to jump on the bandwagon and trash talk someone?

I don't know. Truth is, I don't think I would have that much to say about regain and getting rid of the weight again.
I had some regain when I stopped smoking - that's when I got seriously into the strategies of "normal eating". No diet, no exercise program, no being-harder-on-myself. I got rid of the weight again without struggle.
Reactions I've got? "Oh, but we can't ever trust ourselves with food!!!"
Hm.

But that's why I think we need a compilation of stories not necessarily interactive threads for VETS. Their (and your)experience is already settled by time and not up for debate, I just want some information I can search through (easily) and gain what I gain.

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You could start a thread in the technical assistance board. Maybe Alex will create a section for this kind of stuff?

I think the idea is quite interesting.