We see them all the time. Hell, maybe we'll write one someday...

OMG, I've regained! What do I do???????

You know what I like to do?

I like to go back in that person's post history and read about their diet habits in the beginning when they were losing....get a feel for what kind of dieter they were.

And I almost always find that the re-gainers....were super strict, super disciplined, never-touch-a-carb, low calorie extremists.

And it kills me...because the advice to these folks is always the same.....get back on your super strict diet! up your protein! don't touch a carb!

And I'm sitting here shaking my head.

Why do people return to what doesn't work? Over and over and over. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Don't mean to just pick on our Ketovangelists....there are plenty of Passive Pollys out there who ate junk constantly, never kept track....and wonder why their weight went back up after the honeymoon.

My point is.....if a particular strategy ends in failure.....why in the world would you return to it? Why encourage someone to return to what didn't work longterm?

if the goal is longterm maintenance....why send them back to another stop-gap measure that fails them in the long run?

Ketovangelists....try something different if extremely low cal and carbs doesn't work long term for you! If you eventually lose your mind and fall off the wagon, maybe the wagon you're on doesn't fit. Try something more moderate so you can stay in control long term.

Passive Pollys....try something different! If a total lack of structure is resulting in your surgery being useless.....add some freaking framework to your diet. Work on healthy limits without going completely overboard. Be accountable.

More and more, I believe an addiction to EXTREMISM is what keeps people fat. So many of these folks are either "I must be in COMPLETE CONTROL"...or "I am helpless against my eating"....there's never any middle ground.

Stop with the extremism.

Knock that shite off.

It's hurting you.

12 hours ago, jess9395 said:

13 hours ago, MIZ60 said:

Not sure if there is a point here but I believe every person should love the way they look no matter what but that is not always as easy as it sounds. If you are happy with yourself and your appearance that is all that matters and you should stay right where you are. For me, weight loss is much more about health and enjoying my life than how I look. I want to be as healthy as possible for as long as possible and I am amazed this is happening to me at age 60.

Creekimp13 is much more than strong opinions--she IS a bully.. She is convinced that her way is the only right way and constantly criticizes and denigrates others who do not eat like her calling them stupid names and predicting their failure. She has insulted and denigrated me and my profession while showing her self-satisfied ignorance and denigrated and insulted others on here, stating their diet caused all their health problems and saying we are all going to need a kidney transplant because we don't eat a crapload of carbs. I am not a "ketoevangelist" and have researched the difference between the various diets....one size does not fit all.

Someone who used stats of a professional male bodybuilder to justify her overweight BMI is just ridiculous. I do not care what she says she weighs or what she says she eats but there is no reason to be so nasty about it. I have not encountered anyone else on here that is so dismissive and disrespectful of others.

Great she has a couple of buddies to jump in here and defend her

Does anyone know how to report this? I know this type of name calling is against the TOS even in the rants and raves. @alexbreacher ?

You’re as much a bully as Creekimp. Do you ever think for yourself, or do you simply follow Creekimp around and applaud everything she says? We had girls like you two in high school.

Well this sure escalated.

I can't believe how many post I DID NOT see in this thread WTF, " CARB LIVES MATTER"
please don't tell me its not poking fun at what it clearly is...

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On 07/24/2018 at 11:29, Tealael said:

I can't believe how many post I DID NOT see in this thread WTF, " CARB LIVES MATTER"
please don't tell me its not poking fun at what it clearly is...

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Sometimes privilege prevents people from grasping the weight of their words.

But yeah, yikes. ?

Sometimes privilege prevents people from grasping the weight of their words. But yeah, yikes. [emoji54]

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On 07/24/2018 at 11:40, Tealael said:

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It came up in trending topics for me. There do seem to be a lot of very hard opinions on what the right way to do things.

I’m just going to try to follow my program’s instruction for as long as I can. I know “how to eat healthy”, I just never chose to do it- so yeah- gotta work on that before I get to that stage!

It came up in trending topics for me. There do seem to be a lot of very hard opinions on what the right way to do things.

I’m just going to try to follow my program’s instruction for as long as I can. I know “how to eat healthy”, I just never chose to do it- so yeah- gotta work on that before I get to that stage!

I really wish there were more VETS around to give us the real scoop on regain. I really want hear from people who have experience in the matter, I started a thread for it months ago, not one person responded that I could tell. I think they are all gone...

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5 minutes ago, Tealael said:

But we are here, in rants and raves apparently, my own fault

Although I believe that Rants and Raves can and should be more blunt than the rest of this forum. I don't think there is any place for mocking social movements that sprang from issues as serious as BLM did. And let's be honest, any of the variations of BLM have at least some degree of racism (being generous).

Although I believe that Rants and Raves can and should be more blunt than the rest of this forum. I don't think there is any place for mocking social movements that sprang from issues as serious as BLM did. And let's be honest, any of the variations of BLM have at least some degree of racism (being generous).

Maybe just for rants and raves a safe guard message could be placed as you hit submit, to confirm that you understand the policies and violations will result in xyz ... A reminder to give the person a chance to rephrase things before it goes too far

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10 minutes ago, Tealael said:

I really wish there were more VETS around

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I think they are all gone...

That's because every new wave of patients & forum members brings a deluge of fragile or hostile people who don't want information and talk from members with experience. They want validation, *hugs*, and immediate results/responses.

In my opinion as an older member, you can only take the verbal lashing and emotional outbursts for so long before you just don't care about helping anyone. Escalating and explosive replies with the sole purpose of shocking or generating more knee jerk responses has become the norm across all social media as long as it is done in the name of social justice.

I can say that I have seen so many of these people come on here and spout off, gather a group of sycophants, then fade away because they have wasted the honeymoon phase and never established their own healthy habits. They never reach goal, they develop a transfer addiction, they gain it all back, they develop a new eating disorder... I've pretty much seen it all. Why should a vet invest time to help people when they don't want to be helped?

2 minutes ago, BigViffer said:

That's because every new wave of patients & forum members brings a deluge of fragile or hostile people who don't want information and talk from members with experience. They want validation, *hugs*, and immediate results/responses.

In my opinion as an older member, you can only take the verbal lashing and emotional outbursts for so long before you just don't care about helping anyone. Escalating and explosive replies with the sole purpose of shocking or generating more knee jerk responses has become the norm across all social media as long as it is done in the name of social justice.

I can say that I have seen so many of these people come on here and spout off, gather a group of sycophants, then fade away because they have wasted the honeymoon phase and never established their own healthy habits. They never reach goal, they develop a transfer addiction, they gain it all back, they develop a new eating disorder... I've pretty much seen it all. Why should a vet invest time to help people when they don't want to be helped?

Yep - how many threads have been started by post-ops a couple of weeks out wanting to know when they can start drinking alcohol again (as if their program didn't give them some instructions in that area)? Then it's just "you're a bunch of nannies....)

That's because every new wave of patients & forum members brings a deluge of fragile or hostile people who don't want information and talk from members with experience. They want validation, *hugs*, and immediate results/responses.
In my opinion as an older member, you can only take the verbal lashing and emotional outbursts for so long before you just don't care about helping anyone. Escalating and explosive replies with the sole purpose of shocking or generating more knee jerk responses has become the norm across all social media as long as it is done in the name of social justice.
I can say that I have seen so many of these people come on here and spout off, gather a group of sycophants, then fade away because they have wasted the honeymoon phase and never established their own healthy habits. They never reach goal, they develop a transfer addiction, they gain it all back, they develop a new eating disorder... I've pretty much seen it all. Why should a vet invest time to help people when they don't want to be helped?

Some of us want it, and I'm not talking one on one time, that's preposterous.

But if there was a place where just info could be left, like a vets hand book , where vets write about their experiences, it would be helpful.

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Yep - how many threads have been started by post-ops a couple of weeks out wanting to know when they can start drinking alcohol again (as if their program didn't give them some instructions in that area)? Then it's just "you're a bunch of nannies....)

A lot of people come here looking for permission their programs won't give them

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Some of us want it, and I'm not talking one on one time, that's preposterous.

Actually most of my activity anymore comes from people PMing me.

Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

Actually most of my activity anymore comes from people PMing me.

Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

That is something to consider...

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