Will WLS work if the problem isn't overeating?

[OKCPirate 5,323]

Everyone is not a special snowflake. Most of us were / are fat because we ate too much and moved too little.

Yes, I know that every calorie is not equal and that every person's basal metabolism is not the same, pound for pound, but you get my drift.

Are calories all of the story for everyone? Surely not. But overeating (however you define that -- whether it's the "wrong foods" or "too much food") is usually the behavior that contributes most to obesity.

(Please note that I did not use any absolutes in this post.)

Very good post. We can play great games with ourselves. It is hard to be brutally honest. Very few people will ever do the real self-examination to hold ourselves accountable. I am as guilty of this as anyone.

From the Big Chill:

Michael: I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex.

Sam Weber: Ah, come on. Nothing's more important than sex.

Michael: Oh yeah? Ever gone a week without a rationalization?

So, knowing this character defect, I try to use some hacks to fool myself. Here was a good one I found recently:

https://www.quora.com/What-are-top-tricks-of-psychology-that-everyone-should-follow-to-make-life-easier-and-keep-ahead-of-others

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

@@Montana Gal

People refuse to believe that our current Western food supply/diet is what is killing us and making us fat. Even with proof that as it spreads around the globe, cultures that never had obesity and diabetes issue now have epidemics.

People forget the historical perspective of carbs, bread and sugar. They were/are for peasants, to provide a lot of energy/calories for very little cost. The average farm hand/manual laborer in Victorian England needed 6000 calories a day to work. They obtained these calories by eating bread in large amounts because meat was expensive and out of reach. Fresh vegetables even harder. The rich have always had a wide variety and had fresh veggies, fruits, and meats. We are not a manual labor work force. We do not need these massive amounts of cheap calories to earn a living and get through the day.

[NewMeBefore40 27]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

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[LipstickLady 25,682]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

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To the OP!!!

With a condition as unusual/clearly medical/atypical as yours, a public WLS forum where most of us got fat from overeating junk is probably not going to get you the responses you need and desire.

Definitely come here for support and love as you go through the process, but as far as factual scientific advice? Your situation is so far out there in the atypical range, I'm sure there are very few here that are qualified to answer.

Best to you!! I'm sure with your desire to succeed, you can make it happen.

[NewMeBefore40 27]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

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With a condition as unusual/clearly medical/atypical as yours, a public WLS forum where most of us got fat from overeating junk is probably not going to get you the responses you need and desire.

Definitely come here for support and love as you go through the process, but as far as factual scientific advice? Your situation is so far out there in the atypical range, I'm sure there are very few here that are qualified to answer.

Best to you!! I'm sure with your desire to succeed, you can make it happen.

I wasn't the OP. I was just letting her know she's not alone and that there are said to be benefits for those who are not eating 2 meals at McDonalds for dinner and still unable to lose weight.

However, I'm not really sure where else one would look if they were in my situation and looking for answers. I can't possibly be the only one in my situation. And doctors assume I'm showing them my food diary that shows whole foods and then running thru to get a milkshake. No one believes me. I don't care and im not offended. But when I do start a thread with questions it's because of can't possibly be the only one in my situation and I need help too. As far as the doctors are concerned there is no reason and I just need to exercise harder. I did that. 2 hours a day. Where else can I turn?

Like I said I wasn't asking questions originally, but where else would I go?

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[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

@@NewMeBefore40

Have you tried different doctors? Have you had your resting metabolic rate tested? Have you ever had a DEXA scan? What does your blood work look like?

If you have several metabolic issues, they need to be addressed by a specialist.

And lots of people won't lose on 1000 calories a day, not long term. Most people that aren't slugs with even minimal muscle mass burn more calories that just being above ground.

Edited June 22, 2016 by OutsideMatchInside

[Inner Surfer Girl 12,015]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

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One thing I learned through this process is that my obesity is at least partly due to under eating as much as to overeating. Overeating is my bodies response to under eating (skipping meals, restricting, etc.).

One of the biggest gifts of this program for me so far is a deeper understanding of nutrition and what my body really needs. Eating under 1000 calories in a day is no longer an option for me.

[LipstickLady 25,682]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

Sent from my SM-G935P using the BariatricPal App

With a condition as unusual/clearly medical/atypical as yours, a public WLS forum where most of us got fat from overeating junk is probably not going to get you the responses you need and desire.

Definitely come here for support and love as you go through the process, but as far as factual scientific advice? Your situation is so far out there in the atypical range, I'm sure there are very few here that are qualified to answer.

Best to you!! I'm sure with your desire to succeed, you can make it happen.

I wasn't the OP. I was just letting her know she's not alone and that there are said to be benefits for those who are not eating 2 meals at McDonalds for dinner and still unable to lose weight.

However, I'm not really sure where else one would look if they were in my situation and looking for answers. I can't possibly be the only one in my situation. And doctors assume I'm showing them my food diary that shows whole foods and then running thru to get a milkshake. No one believes me. I don't care and im not offended. But when I do start a thread with questions it's because of can't possibly be the only one in my situation and I need help too. As far as the doctors are concerned there is no reason and I just need to exercise harder. I did that. 2 hours a day. Where else can I turn?

Like I said I wasn't asking questions originally, but where else would I go?

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Hugs. That's why I added the OP part late in the game.

[NewMeBefore40 27]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

Sent from my SM-G935P using the BariatricPal App

One thing I learned through this process is that my obesity is at least partly due to under eating as much as to overeating. Overeating is my bodies response to under eating (skipping meals, restricting, etc.).

One of the biggest gifts of this program for me so far is a deeper understanding of nutrition and what my body really needs. Eating under 1000 calories in a day is no longer an option for me.

Of I go over 1000, even on slow small increments, I gain. Ive been on many diets with many "coaches". I've been through different nutrition classes while in training for holistic health, while in college, and with docs. I understand the metabolic system. My doctor recently ran labs and told me how surprised she was to see sugars, and everything else perfect.

I realize that for most people 1000 is not enough. I apparently have a really efficient metabolism. It doesn't take much to make me go.

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[Valentina 2,642]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

Sent from my SM-G935P using the BariatricPal App

With a condition as unusual/clearly medical/atypical as yours, a public WLS forum where most of us got fat from overeating junk is probably not going to get you the responses you need and desire.

Definitely come here for support and love as you go through the process, but as far as factual scientific advice? Your situation is so far out there in the atypical range, I'm sure there are very few here that are qualified to answer.

Best to you!! I'm sure with your desire to succeed, you can make it happen.

I wasn't the OP. I was just letting her know she's not alone and that there are said to be benefits for those who are not eating 2 meals at McDonalds for dinner and still unable to lose weight.

However, I'm not really sure where else one would look if they were in my situation and looking for answers. I can't possibly be the only one in my situation. And doctors assume I'm showing them my food diary that shows whole foods and then running thru to get a milkshake. No one believes me. I don't care and im not offended. But when I do start a thread with questions it's because of can't possibly be the only one in my situation and I need help too. As far as the doctors are concerned there is no reason and I just need to exercise harder. I did that. 2 hours a day. Where else can I turn?

Like I said I wasn't asking questions originally, but where else would I go?

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You and the OP are absolutely warranted by coming here and asking your questions as well as sharing your experiences.

Sometimes, just saying how you feel and having someone who will listen with concern is all that is needed to help get over a "bump in the road".

We are not experts here, but we should always be willing to listen to a member who is "struggling"--physically and/or mentally. Most members on this site are great listeners.

We can give no medical advice. We can "round table" ideas and can "suggest" based on our own personal WLS journeys.

I hope that is enough.

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

Sent from my SM-G935P using the BariatricPal App

One thing I learned through this process is that my obesity is at least partly due to under eating as much as to overeating. Overeating is my bodies response to under eating (skipping meals, restricting, etc.).

One of the biggest gifts of this program for me so far is a deeper understanding of nutrition and what my body really needs. Eating under 1000 calories in a day is no longer an option for me.

Of I go over 1000, even on slow small increments, I gain. Ive been on many diets with many "coaches". I've been through different nutrition classes while in training for holistic health, while in college, and with docs. I understand the metabolic system. My doctor recently ran labs and told me how surprised she was to see sugars, and everything else perfect.

I realize that for most people 1000 is not enough. I apparently have a really efficient metabolism. It doesn't take much to make me go.

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What is your resting metabolic rate? Have you ever had it tested?

[NewMeBefore40 27]

Like the title of the thread says, will WLS work if the reason for being overweight isn't from overeating? I don't overeat but I definitely choose the wrong foods.

It looks like there have been a lot of ppl who don't read. I eat 1000 calories or less and weigh 280. I was bulimic for years. I got the band and list then regained even though I was under 1000 caliries a day. I'm considering the surgery because the doctor says it changes your body's set point.

My fear isn't that I won't lose, but that once again I'll regain because my body really wants to stick at this weight.

I eat a whole foods diet, not a SAD. I do Keto. I just don't lose.

Sent from my SM-G935P using the BariatricPal App

With a condition as unusual/clearly medical/atypical as yours, a public WLS forum where most of us got fat from overeating junk is probably not going to get you the responses you need and desire.

Definitely come here for support and love as you go through the process, but as far as factual scientific advice? Your situation is so far out there in the atypical range, I'm sure there are very few here that are qualified to answer.

Best to you!! I'm sure with your desire to succeed, you can make it happen.

I wasn't the OP. I was just letting her know she's not alone and that there are said to be benefits for those who are not eating 2 meals at McDonalds for dinner and still unable to lose weight.

However, I'm not really sure where else one would look if they were in my situation and looking for answers. I can't possibly be the only one in my situation. And doctors assume I'm showing them my food diary that shows whole foods and then running thru to get a milkshake. No one believes me. I don't care and im not offended. But when I do start a thread with questions it's because of can't possibly be the only one in my situation and I need help too. As far as the doctors are concerned there is no reason and I just need to exercise harder. I did that. 2 hours a day. Where else can I turn?

Like I said I wasn't asking questions originally, but where else would I go?

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You and the OP are absolutely warranted by coming here and asking your questions as well as sharing your experiences.

Sometimes, just saying how you feel and having someone who will listen with concern is all that is needed to help get over a "bump in the road".

We are not experts here, but we should always be willing to listen to a member who is "struggling"--physically and/or mentally. Most members on this site are great listeners.

We can give no medical advice. We can "round table" ideas and can "suggest" based on our own personal WLS journeys.

I hope that is enough.

You would be surprised how much more I've learned from social media Than my doctors. I've taken many requests to my doctor for tests and have found answers (not weight problems but other problems), so yes that is enough!

I just find it frustrating that people think that just because they can't control what they eat that no one can. That's not my problem. But WLS helps with more than control issues for many. I hope that's the same with me.

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[KristenLe 5,980]

@@NewMeBefore40 Do you have any metabolic disorders? Have they looked at whether you might have PCOS? I have a hard time losing weight but my Team assured me I will lose with WLS. They never once questioned my food diary or acted as though they didn't believe me. You may have actually been eating too little if exercising for 2 hours. It sounds like you need to talk to a Dr qualified in Bariatrics. Just because your sugar was normal does not mean you don't have something else going on. My blood sugar has always been normal but I have PCOS which makes it more difficult to lose weight. Hang in there!

Edited June 22, 2016 by KristenLe

[NewMeBefore40 27]

@NeeMeBefore40 Do you have any metabolic disorders? Have they looked at whether you might have PCOS? I have a hard time losing weight but my Team assured me I will lose with WLS. They never once questioned my food diary or acted as though they didn't believe me. You may have actually been eating too little if exercising for 2 hours. It sounds like you need to talk to a Dr qualified in Bariatrics. Just because your sugar was normal does not mean you don't have something else going on. My blood sugar has always been normal but I have PCOS which makes it more difficult to lose weight. Hang in there!

I do have pcos. But I don't think people really understand how broken a metabolism can get.

I have gotten the, "that's not possible", "it's physically impossible" or just the head shake.

I've seen 3 surgeons and their nutritional counselors.

I have a lot going on, more than I could begin to list here. But I think the question was from the OP, weather anyone who already restricts calories will benefit. That's my question to. Not at first but long term.

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[KristenLe 5,980]

@@NewMeBefore40 Actually the OP was asking about not overeating not calories. She eats junk food and fried foods just not what she considers large portions. Your situation sounds alot like mine and although I haven't had surgery yet - they tell me I will definitely lose weight even though I have difficulty now (regardless of what I do). I would start a new thread with your situation - I'm sure you'll get responses.