Long term prognosis

[No game 14,436]

Godwin's law.

Lynda

Yes!!!!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[feedyoureye 3,087]

Onward and upward!

[missmeow 156]

She said her overall habits are healthy. I don't see why eating in moderation is bad? You can eat all of those things in balance and maintain. Its what people who never had a weight problem do every day.

[No game 14,436]

Onward and upward!

Yes my dear onward and upward!

And on that note..

I really liked the Sharma article. It really puts it into perspective. This is about health. And losing even just a little bit of weight in the beginning I was able to get off of high blood pressure meds!

That's a goal! One that I'm going to work hard at, so as to never go back

[Ms skinniness 3,003]

She said her overall habits are healthy. I don't see why eating in moderation is bad? You can eat all of those things in balance and maintain. Its what people who never had a weight problem do every day.

The key word is people who have never had a problem with weight do. We are over weight because we can't do this. We are fooling ourselves if we believe we can eat high calorie foods in moderation. At least this holds true for me. One bite and I want more and it plagues my mind like a disease. The majority of us here are food addicts. we love food and for me, there is no moderation. Believe me, I have tried. So I chose to eat healthy and skip the unhealthy foods.....

The OP is around a year out and if she can maintain her weight eating like she is, then I want to see pics of her at 2, 3, 5 and 10 years out. I'd be totally happy for her. But we all chose our foods and what we want in life. this is the hard part of the journey....

[missmeow 156]

Speak for yourself then because your applying your personal issues with food to everyone. I eat in moderation and track everything. I got this surgery to regain a normal relationship with food. I can measure out an ounce of chips and be satisfied half way through and put the remainder back in the bag.

Avoidance does not resolve the problem. If eating one "bad" thing (and I put that in quotes because I don't really believe in bad anymore) sends someone on a binge then they really haven't done the mental work needed for continued success imo. That is where the failure rates come into play.

Eta and why do you need to see her pics at 3, 5, 10 years out? Your underlying assumption is that she will fail for not following your plan. Frankly, that's a pretty catty statement.

[No game 14,436]

Speak for yourself then because your applying your personal issues with food to everyone. I eat in moderation and track everything. I got this surgery to regain a normal relationship with food. I can measure out an ounce of chips and be satisfied half way through and put the remainder back in the bag.

Avoidance does not resolve the problem. If eating one "bad" thing (and I put that in quotes because I don't really believe in bad anymore) sends someone on a binge then they really haven't done the mental work needed for continued success imo. That is where the failure rates come into play.

Eta and why do you need to see her pics at 3' date=' 5, 10 years out? Your underlying assumption is that she will fail for not following your plan. Frankly, that's a pretty catty statement.[/quote']

I'm somewhat miffed by the turn of events here...

This was a productive conversation until the

Foul post with the nazi comment yesterday.

You yourself said you didn't bother to read the thread.. And with that I would say please find a thread that interests you enough to read so you can understand what was being discussed and reply to that one...

Thank you,

Laura

[No game 14,436]

She said her overall habits are healthy. I don't see why eating in moderation is bad? You can eat all of those things in balance and maintain. Its what people who never had a weight problem do every day.

And furthermore it had nothing to do with anybody eating in moderation!

It had to do with the foul delivery and Belittling those of us that enjoy being here and taking part in productive conversation..

So please let's go back to the ORIGINAL TOPIC!

[missmeow 156]

I read the OP and about the first three or four pages and things started turning to eating habits. My original comment was directed to the OP, which discussed long term results, particularly in regards to the approximately 30% failure rate.

My subsequent posts are directly related to that in that if people think that the sleeve and sleeve diet is a miracle and are unwilling to do the background research and mental work necessary for long term success, there will be failure. This 30% for new sleevers and 50% for secondary bariatric surgery reflects this. I think these subsections are not failures of the surgeries themselves (exception is the band) but failure of the person to do the work necessary to make it a success. I see people doing crazy 0 carbs diets, etc. to lose lose lose as fast as they can and that is not maintainable long term. How is that any different than the dieting cycle we were all on before? It sets people up for failure because they are not using their healing time to actually learn how to eat and maintain a healthy lifestyle long term.

[delta_girl 931]

I did not think that I had deviated from the topic and it was not meant to be offensive, just one perspective. When I say I eat what I want, it is in moderation. I did not intend to be insulting. Just sharing my thoughts. Yes, I did read the thread. I said I don't come to the forum much anymore. There is a whole new, incredibly wonderful world out there. And just because I don't only say things that are safe that the majority here might agree with does not mean that it does not have value, that I am ignorant or evil.

[delta_girl 931]

As long as you're sure that posting photos of yourself at 1 year out wouldn't be tedious' date=' repetitive or confusing for the rest of us dumb souls who are apparently so easily entertained.

Sheesh, why bother posting with an opening sentence like that?? You can stay around and try to correct mis-information or chose to leave something that you clearly don't see as having any value. Same choice we all have... no one forces anyone to be here.

Put-downs are unnecessary.[/quote']

It wasn't personal or meant as a put down. It was just my thoughts and I doubt I'm the only one who has had similar ones. I was addicted to this forum for six months. Yes, there is a lot of value here. But it can be very repetitive. There is a great, big, wonderful new world out there to embrace, so I don't come a lot anymore. I never said anyone was dumb.

[delta_girl 931]

I think we can safely say those are some pictures that most of us can give a **** about too....

Vilified and shunned. Too diverse from the more pc dialogue. I'm actually surprised by this statement.

[zenandnow 514]

I almost never read these forums anymore. They are tedious and repetitive and full of misinformation.

I totally agree with my surgeon that most if what is posted is hearsay.

Chill out.

I think these are the comments that people found offensive, especially since you followed the last one with a word most of us don't wish to be associated with (and which was later edited out for that very reason). To claim you don't think what you said was offensive is disingenuous in my opinion.

[Butterthebean 8,146]

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Avoidance does not resolve the problem. If eating one "bad" thing (and I put that in quotes because I don't really believe in bad anymore) sends someone on a binge then they really haven't done the mental work needed for continued success imo. That is where the failure rates come into play.

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Actually....the provocation to binge after eating particular types of food can very much be a caused by a biological chemical reaction (blood sugar/insulin) and not just because someone has mental issues. It can be one or the other or a combination of the 2.

[delta_girl 931]

I never binge. And the "offensive" word/ connotation I used was a very common term used in these forums months ago in reference to intolerance and idealistic practices.