MBC Anyone hear about a Mexico Bariatric Center patient passing away this weekend?

[Ms.AntiBand 2,984]

I was expecting this post. How sad. You have absolutely NO clue what happened, but already you sweep it under the rug as an 'unfortunate' event. First you jump to the conclusion that the OP had to have been making this up, and now you assume it was an accident.

And yes, research can make a difference! Were compression stocking used during and after surgery? How about blood thinners? Why does this company have multiple deaths in a few months?!?!

In honor of the patient who passed away, let us not make assumptions.

And Alex, these are not rumors. A patient DID pass away.

No one is sweeping anything under a rug. Perhaps you should present full facts of all you're referring to. As multiple deaths in so many months.. Where do you get this information and so on? You're not of any help if you can't back your words up with some type of additional info/facts etc.

All deaths are very sad indeed and my thoughts go out to the families of everyone. And yes, it happens here in the states as often, if not more, so please don't go bashing some dr unless you can provide a lot of info to back it up. Scare tactics are of no help at all

Edited July 30, 2013 by Alex Brecher
Attorneys for MBC claim your statement is false, defamatory and slanderous

[stephanie1678 80]

I did not sweep it under the carpet as a "unfortunate event"! It is TRAGIC! For him and his family, who will forever have to live with this. Wondering if anything could of been done differently.

Please don't assume that you know how I feel,

Because you don't.

I am so glad I didn't have to go to Mexico, because, I'm sorry everyone that did, but its scary.

And all the "plants" and plugs put out there by people pushing one company/ doctor while putting down the others is enough to make my head spin!

I shouldn't even care! Hell my surgery is done and it was done in the USA.

But I care because I don't want newbies here falling for all these patients saying "pm me ill give you the real deal"

This whole Medical Tourism business needs to be better regulated. It is appalling what I discovered in my own attempt at a sleeve in Mexico. Even more appalling is the fact that those of us who need/want it most often have to depend on the unverified stories we find on the web. Too many lies, too many questions.

[stephanie1678 80]

No one is sweeping anything under a rug. Perhaps you should present full facts of all you're referring to. As four deaths in so many months.. Where do you get this information and so on? You're not of any help if you can't back your words up with some type of additional info/facts etc.

All deaths are very sad indeed and my thoughts go out to the families of everyone. And yes, it happens here in the states as often, if not more, so please don't go bashing some dr unless you can provide a lot of info to back it up. Scare tactics are of no help at all

This is exactly what I was referring to above. If anyone questions anything, pick up the phone and do your own research. Do not believe what you read on the internet. Call!!! Verify it yourself!! Do not take anyone's word for anything. It is why I picked up the phone when the OP first made this thread. I called, and did not hang up until I had answers. Then I called someone else and asked for more information. Only then did I post here that it was true.

We all have to do this. Do your own research. Verify information, or dig up new information. We do have some control in the outcome of our own surgeries.

[Michele in NY 13]

Again, I did not come on here to create havoc on this site. The original post is true. Yes, maybe I could've been a little more forthcoming about my opinion on MBC, but I honestly don't think it would've made a difference how I stated the post. People like Laura-Ven will be quick to discredit me for one reason or the other no matter how I came across and that's fine. Like I said, I wanted everyone to have the opportunity to know the shady practices of MBC and the make sure they research the ACTUAL DR that will be doing the surgery. Research their site and you will see info and profiles for Dr's MBC doesn't even do business with.

Anyone who's ever been to Mexico knows that info if very heavily swept under the carpet. That's what makes it very hard for people to do research and find the best Dr's and which coordinators work with those Dr's. Maybe if , more people would come forward with experiences (good or bad) and this information would be easier for people who are considering having their surgery in Mexico. Luckily I have thick skin so I really don't care that she's called me a duck LOL It seems like people on here keep saying that want this to be a support forum for people having, have had or are considering having their surgery in Mexico, but then they discredit someone who is saying something they don't like. My information is for anyone who wants to consider it. If you don't want to consider it, just click that cute little X button on the top right hand of your screen. I'll disappear immediately

Edited July 29, 2013 by *susan*
Attacking other members is against forum rules

[Ms.AntiBand 2,984]

What.. You don't think it's swept under the rug here in the states? Think again. because of the laws and malpractice hush hush here in the states part of the settlements are that patients aren't allowed to tell all. In Mexico ..if you want to know something it's just a matter of digging and in depth research. You can call any of the hospitals and ask for info (short of patients name) and they will tell you. Including why or if a particular dr is no longer permitted to practice at a facility. And whatever you do.. Don't call a coordinator/center for info.. They are there to sell you on theirs only and won't include the truth, and they will exclude the facts of any death or issues their company has.

It doesn't take a nuclear scientist to find an excellent surgeon in MX, but it does take some work. If you're searching here in the states.. You won't EVER get stats on your surgeon in regards to deaths or leaks. They don't have to tell you anything. The MX surgeons tell you everything because most have excellent records and are very proud.

[Wags 549]

Again' date=' I did not come on here to create havoc on this site. The original post is true. Yes, maybe I could've been a little more forthcoming about my opinion on MBC, but I honestly don't think it would've made a difference how I stated the post. People like Laura-Ven will be quick to discredit me for one reason or the other no matter how I came across and that's fine. Like I said, I wanted everyone to have the opportunity to know the shady practices of MBC and the make sure they research the ACTUAL DR that will be doing the surgery. Research their site and you will see info and profiles for Dr's MBC doesn't even do business with.

Anyone who's ever been to Mexico knows that info if very heavily swept under the carpet. That's what makes it very hard for people to do research and find the best Dr's and which coordinators work with those Dr's. Maybe if it wasn't for people Like Laura-Ven, more people would come forward with experiences (good or bad) and this information would be easier for people who are considering having their surgery in Mexico. Luckily I have thick skin so I really don't care that she's called me a duck LOL It seems like people on here keep saying that want this to be a support forum for people having, have had or are considering having their surgery in Mexico, but then they discredit someone who is saying something they don't like. My information is for anyone who wants to consider it. If you don't want to consider it, just click that cute little X button on the top right hand of your screen. I'll disappear immediately <img src='http://www.bariatricpal.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />[/quote']

I think you are being harsh on Laura-ven. Your original post was vague and did not offer any specifics beyond MBC. She was asking for details to verify. Can you imagine that people might come on here to spread vague rumors about companies with no specifics to back them up? I'm sure it happens. Laura is a no-nonsense supporter to hundreds of us on here. She also calls people out when they use rumor and innuendo. After your original post you have more specific details, which is what she asked for. So thank you for that. If you had given the specifics in your original post, she wouldn't have had to ask.

[2btrim 129]

I am so saddened to hear about this. i feal so sorry for that poor man and his family, how horrible! I was so close to paying my deposit, but now I'm definitely going to hold off until I learn more. However, will any of us ever know the truth. It has been stated that an embolism was the cause of death, but of coarse that would help to take the responsibility off of the surgeon and staff. I'm not saying that they are not telling the truth, but how will we ever know.

In addition, I called last week and spoke with a coordinator from MBC about surgery with the Valenzuela/ Cabrera team and was told that Dr Cabrera is no longer with MBC or Dr Valenzuela, she told me he wanted a bigger piece of the pie and he is now on his own. However it looks like he is still operating at Mi Doctor. There has to be more to this story as well. I might be checking into having him do my surgery instead.

[stephanie1678 80]

What.. You don't think it's swept under the rug here in the states? Think again.

Exactly. So why perpetuate that practice by engaging in it here too?

It doesn't take a nuclear scientist to find an excellent surgeon in MX, but it does take some work. If you're searching here in the states.. You won't EVER get stats on your surgeon in regards to deaths or leaks. They don't have to tell you anything. The MX surgeons tell you everything because most have excellent records and are very proud.

I am thinking that is a naive statement. Even Mexican doctors hide their true complication figures, or are not even aware of what they are. Dr Aceves truthfully admitted to me he has no clue what his complication rate is.

I think you are being harsh on Laura-ven. Your original post was vague and did not offer any specifics beyond MBC. She was asking for details to verify. Can you imagine that people might come on here to spread vague rumors about companies with no specifics to back them up?

Again, that's why it is so important to do your own research, to do your own calling. Instead of calling people out and researching past posts, it would have taken 1 minute to call the company directly to check it out.

I happen to like lauara-ven. I think she has made some great posts and has been supportive of many members. But I do think she is experienced enough to know that one call could have just clarified it all.

[No game 14,436]

Again' date=' I did not come on here to create havoc on this site. The original post is true. Yes, maybe I could've been a little more forthcoming about my opinion on MBC, but I honestly don't think it would've made a difference how I stated the post. People like Laura-Ven will be quick to discredit me for one reason or the other no matter how I came across and that's fine. Like I said, I wanted everyone to have the opportunity to know the shady practices of MBC and the make sure they research the ACTUAL DR that will be doing the surgery. Research their site and you will see info and profiles for Dr's MBC doesn't even do business with.

Anyone who's ever been to Mexico knows that info if very heavily swept under the carpet. That's what makes it very hard for people to do research and find the best Dr's and which coordinators work with those Dr's. Maybe if it wasn't for people Like Laura-Ven, more people would come forward with experiences (good or bad) and this information would be easier for people who are considering having their surgery in Mexico. Luckily I have thick skin so I really don't care that she's called me a duck LOL It seems like people on here keep saying that want this to be a support forum for people having, have had or are considering having their surgery in Mexico, but then they discredit someone who is saying something they don't like. My information is for anyone who wants to consider it. If you don't want to consider it, just click that cute little X button on the top right hand of your screen. I'll disappear immediately [/quote']

Laura-ven as you say, is not trying to suppress any unfortunate truths about Mexico!

Quite the opposite actually!

I have been in more dust ups than I even want to admit over some poor patient that had less than a positive experience in mexico and gets beat up on because they dare post about it!

If your intentions are noble I apologize, but really when I wade through the muck that is the Mexico forums I often have to "look"

At the poster to see where they are coming from. especially when they start criticizing other doctors/coordinators..because its so corrupt (yep I said corrupt, shoot me) And well your posts "quacked" it's unfortunate but true all your posts are about this one company... That's all I had to go on. Doesn't leave me much to work with you know?

Oh. And Stephanie, I thought you would of realized that when I questioned why your post was taken down...

Whatever, have at it girls.. I'm exhausted.

[Ms.AntiBand 2,984]

I believe if you try hard enough you can find out what you need about a MX surgeon. Here in the states.. I have no clue how you could do it.

[No game 14,436]

I believe if you try hard enough you can find out what you need about a MX surgeon. Here in the states.. I have no clue how you could do it.

Trust me its a lot easier in the states...

It's not as cloak and dagger as you think.

[stephanie1678 80]

I believe if you try hard enough you can find out what you need about a MX surgeon.

Do tell....because Dr Aceves sure didn't know how.......

[Wags 549]

Do tell....because Dr Aceves sure didn't know how.......

You have alluded to the horrible things that Dr. Aceves shared with you, but you have not been specific. I understand that you believe that we have a right to know what is going on in Mexico, so please tell us the specifics of what Dr. Aceves told you...

[stephanie1678 80]

You have alluded to the horrible things that Dr. Aceves shared with you, but you have not been specific. I understand that you believe that we have a right to know what is going on in Mexico, so please tell us the specifics of what Dr. Aceves told you...

What I am referring to is that it is really hard for a doctor to know what complications arise after surgery when most of his patients are out of the country patients. He admitted to me that he simply does not know about all problems that come up after a patient leaves. Many never email him back, and some drop off the face of the earth. Please do not interpret this to mean that I think Dr Aceves is a bad surgeon with horrible complication rates. I do not think that is the case at all. I found him to be ethical and honest in my dealings with him. I would still consider him should I choose to move ahead.

Again, I am just stressing the importance of researching your own surgeon and not go by what you read on a forum. Your doctor for example was jailed/imprisoned for insurance fraud. To some that may be a deterrent to choosing him, while others may think that is not a big deal. What is important to me may not be important to others. Hopefully your own research will give you the information you need so you can move forward with your decision, and feel good about it.

[ca_medic5 75]

well no matter what type of surgery you have there can be complications, anyone could have a blood clot following surgery. just something you have to decide on.