Do you believe in a god or gods?

[pattygreen 5]

Anyone who sets him or herself up as one who knows everything about God's will and plan is someone whose words cannot be trusted. And the more they proclaim that they have the formula that trumps all other religions and churches, the more they need to learn about humanity, life, peace and happiness.

I'm not a genius but these things are obvious to people who have learned that they don't know everything and who are willing to continue to seek enlightenment and knowledge that goes far beyond the endoctrination of conventional religious teachings.

Who said I know everything? I have been an avid studier of God's word for over 25 years, and have gone to bible school. I would qualify myself as someone who is well versed in his word. But, everything, no. I am still delving into the bible on a daily basis and learning more and more every time I read it. So, if that's what you thought about me, you are mistaken. I am constantly learning everytime I pick up the book. As for "having the formula", as you call it, I will not back down on that. I DO have the "formula". Jesus said," I am the way and the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but through me." Period.

Anyone can know God's will and plan. He reveals them to us in his word. None of it is a secret to those who desire to search for it in the scriptures. He wants us to know his will and plans. So, when I tell you that I know something, it is because I read it in the bible, or the principle is taught in there.

Also, I was never "indoctrinated" by conventional religious teachings. I've been indoctrinated by the bible, which are God's words to mankind. Nothing more.

[BJean 16]

You do take things personally, don't you. I was speaking in general terms about the far right wing. Which I know you do consider yourself a part of. And rightfully so, if we are to go by the words you write.

But I am very glad that you admit to at least being indoctrinated by the Bible and your "bible school." Even if you are loathe to admit that it is really religious indoctrination.

Other Christian religions use the Bible as their Bible. But not all, in fact not most, of them agree with the way you've interpreted it or the "formula" you've created - FROM YOUR TEACHINGS.

I can't help but hold out hope for you. Somewhere inside you I have a feeling there is a reasonable, lovely person just waiting to bust out.

[pattygreen 5]

Here I am!

[BJean 16]

A lovely, reasonable person stands before me? I can't seeee you.

[pattygreen 5]

your loss.

[BJean 16]

Now that's a fact. But too bad you don't understand how much of a loss it is for you too.

[Humming Bird 275]

I can't help but hold out hope for you. Somewhere inside you I have a feeling there is a reasonable, lovely person just waiting to bust out.

Just with the work Patty has done over the years with children and foster care alone shows me the lovely person she is. :thumbup: I could care less if she is right or left wing, Rep. or Dem. Yes, she is much more religious than I am.

Yes she reads the Bible more. I don't agree with her views all the time. But, lovely person? Yes, I see her.

[pattygreen 5]

Just with the work Patty has done over the years with children and foster care alone shows me the lovely person she is. :thumbup: I could care less if she is right or left wing, Rep. or Dem. Yes, she is much more religious than I am.

Yes she reads the Bible more. I don't agree with her views all the time. But, lovely person? Yes, I see her.

Hummingbird, thank you.

[BJean 16]

Good for you Hummingbird! My thoughts are probably influenced too much by the very hard edge she reveals of her personality and the hard line she takes toward others in her posts.

You seem to be very generous of spirit and that is a good thing to be.

[BJean 16]

That's very kind Hummingbird.

I have a really hard time getting past the hard edged tone she has toward people in her posts and the very hard line she takes with politics and religion.

You obviously have a very generous spirit and that's a good thing.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Is anyone else having this problem with this R&R forum? I see the last person who posted and the time but it isn't showing up.

Like it shows BJean as having posted here at 9:08 AM today but the last post showing up for me is April 10th by BJean.

This has been happening more and more. Did the last poster delete their message? I don't know why I can see the last message.

[btrieger 21]

Is anyone else having this problem with this R&R forum? I see the last person who posted and the time but it isn't showing up.

Like it shows BJean as having posted here at 9:08 AM today but the last post showing up for me is April 10th by BJean.

This has been happening more and more. Did the last poster delete their message? I don't know why I can see the last message.

It is the polls. When somebody votes in a poll it does that.

It drove me crazy on a couple of them when it kept saying that I was the last poster and I hadn't posted to the thread in months.

[BJean 16]

Thanks for clearing that up. I'd wondered about that too. And I just noticed that somehow I managed to post the same (similar) thing twice above. Undoubtedly computer error. Heh!

[loserbob 11]

He also tells us that we shouldn't speak about our beliefs loudly to others.

Wait for it, waaaaaaiiit for it and there she is!(Patty)

I know this is an old post but I just had to do that.

[Llyra 3]

This a simple poll. I am not trying to start any kind of philosophical debate here.

So much for not starting a philosophical debate.:scared2: