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Hows the liquid thing working out? I maybe could do mushies, but not so sure I can do liquids again. It's hard enough for the two days after the fill.

Ezma. You are such a strong lady to deal with all this. I wonder what biologically makes people need food when there stressed, or if it is just something that people who already have a problem with food do. Like a smoker smokes more at hospitals. What do you guys think? Starbucks has so many hidden fat and calories. It's almost like eating a full unhealthy meal. But you know I love my sugar and cream in my coffee, and I've tried substitutes and they make me sad. Sooo, I just limit my coffee, but I can do that because I'm not a coffee addict. Oh...and I gained three lbs last week, but that was to be expected. I know what happened so I can fix it. It's when I have been trying hard and doing everything right that I gain weight and get sad. Just gotta get back on that horse. Today has started off great. I have some cut apples dipped in a little lemon juice to keep them from turning, and a little peanut butter to dip them in for lunch. Then I have a busy weekend planned so no time to sit around thinking about food. It's when I get bored that the fridge starts calling.

You know, if icecream isn't in the house I don't eat it. Not anymore, not since we started this thread I have kept my sugar craving ass out of coldstone, but about a week ago I snuck breyer's in the buggy. And tried to finish it in three days. I threw the rest of it away after I told on myself in here. Well, Marcie saw how much I enjoyed that icecream, so at the grocery store she saw it was on sale and pointed and I said "No, I don't need that. I can't have a small serving." and she nodded and we bought some apples and some laughing cow cheese. I felt a little proud of myself.

You know, I agree with you there. My Dr kept telling me your not on a diet, your not on a diet...so when I thought...I really shouldn't eat that my mind told me back "Why not? Your not on a diet."

Heart you back. I should really get myself out of this thread too. If I exercised as much as I played on the internet I would be a size six by now. Hey Donna. Do they both have to be minors for that to work? I don't know. That seems kind of creepy if it doesn't...with the whole consent thing. Like a dad telling someone is own age. I like you, here...take my daughter, I don't need her anymore. If a 26 year old was sleeping with a fourteen year old with the fourteen year old parents permission, would it still be a crime? I hope so.

Voting is a right...we don't let children or goats vote. Why don't we let children vote? The same reason we don't let children marry right? Because they are not adults.

Pick your head back up and go for a walk. At least it wasn't fried peanut butter...I'm sure they could do that.

I threw the icecream away. It was almost gone anyway so it didn't hurt. Thanks for the words of encouragement. Baby steps I guess. Sigh. I was at the grocery store buying chocolate (not for me) and saw a huge selection of mixed nuts. I thought of you tapshoes.

I believe they might be. The difference is by acting on that they are damaging an innocent child. Maybe they really are born that way, it doesn't make what they do any less horrible. That is why the whole thing about "If we let the gays marry, next thing you know Grown ups will wanna marry a baby, and Men will be marrying a goat!" Since when can the goat say "I do" and sign the marriage licence? By a Man marrying a man, or a woman marrying a woman, or a man marrying a woman, they (both adults) are entering into a contract and not damaging themselves or anyone around them. Maybe the kids when they get a divorce...Which if you are not going to let gay marriages happen because of "protecting the sancity of marriage" then divorce should be pretty damn illegal too. Do I think it should be? Hell no, but neither should prohibiting someone else from it either. They are both adults, both are people. We are not talking about a union between one man, and one hot ass goat. I don't think you will see five year olds holding signs demanding marriage rights standing in the street. I don't think you will see the goat on television begging to be treated like everyone else.

you can do it SNT. Beth. Be strong, sister. The liquids are no joke, but you are obviously a strong minded and willed lady. You won't let no damn liquids defeat you.

I agree. I totally understand the anger, I am dealing with that myself right now. Violence is never the answer to any situation, IMO. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/534469 There are idiots on both sides of every issue. The link is to an event in Oshawa, where two lesbians were attacked picking up their daughter from school. Their daughter witnessed the event. Ms.FF - I am not sure what you want me to understand about this situation. I'm not sure what you think I'm not getting. Also, making vauge references to something in the past doesn't make your views any more legitimate to me. I'm glad whatever it was you made it through. That's what I'm trying to do now. Nor does claiming that you know gay people make your post more sympathetic. I've said my peace to you. It just seems you are trying to make the same points in different ways. I'm sorry if you thought I was being condescending. I wasn't. I was being honest. Almost too honest for the internet, while trying to be civil and not start attacking you for what I percieve as narrow minded beliefs that affect my life I do not feel persecuted, really. At least no more by you than by the people who went seeking to change the constitution. I don't have a problem with people thinking that what I do is wrong, that's their problem. I do have a problem with someone messing with the constitution to take something away from only a small group of people, any people. Once again I will say for the seventy seventh time that if the churchs want to keep the word marriage they can have it just make ALL unions that partian to the government civil unions. I'll say it for the seventy eighth time. Make all marriages in the church and make government recognize only civil unions. I think that is a fair compromise, but just like in all compromises their will be people on both sides unsatisfied. I am not all gay people. Just one gay person. I'm also a christian, a southerner, a woman, a student, a tax payer, and many other things. Just like everyone else, I deserve all the things that the government affords for everyone else. So do you. I wouldn't let a personal belief against anyone led me to believe that you didn't deserve the same things as anyone else. Or maybe you are trying to convince me that homosexuality is wrong, unnatural, whatever. I can promise you that that will never ever happen. I'm sorry. Now you can stop comparing homosexuals (even if it is roundabout) to pedophiles, goat *(&^#%!, or murderers. K, thanks.

What about this Beth? "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." The Constitution says in Amendment Fourteen: "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." What this means to me is the state, or the people in the state, doesn't have the authority to pick and choose who they give rights, or priviledges to.

You know, if it isn't listed in the constitution, how could anyone ban it in the constitution...for one certain group of people?

Meeee too! But there is a national proposition 8 protest on Saturday novemeber 15. I will be up at the courthouse in my little town holding my sign for about an hour. There have been many protest, but they really aren't getting much coverage.

Did you know that a pig's orgasm can last half an hour?!?

Thanks Beth.

This I do agree with you with. I can't think of a better way to say that...In this I agree with you? No that sounds stupid too, well you get what I mean. pgreen. That long post you sent to me, I don't need to be saved but thanks for trying. You really should get out more.

I disagree. I know that some people (not you dear) must be skimming my post to find something they may be able to make a point against. Noone seems to have read the several several times I have said. Keep the marriage in the church (whatev) but if the government is going to recognize a marriage then they should do so for everyone. Fine, if you want to believe that marriage is a not a right (and your wrong) then consider it a priviledge. If not, don't recognize marriage at all (governmentally speaking) I can't speak for everyone but that's how I feel. Honestly, I could care less about the church. It has never done anything for me. It is prejudice, Beth. I don't think you are throwing rocks at me, it's how you believe...I belive you are wrong. That's okay, but saying everyone but these people can do this, well...it's prejudice in my opinion. Doesn't make you a bad person. I also think it's a learned thing. Which is how, like I said, I have hope for the future. But I wish others, not you, would stop beating me over the head with their bible, it's giving me a headache. As for the word "marriage" I have said upteen times in this thread to make marriage seperate from the government then noone would care. Because the church would marry who they want. Government should recognize civil unions. Peroid. Federally. Count them. How many times have I said that? See, I am not fixated on the word marriage. Other people are and they are choosing to ignore anytime I say anything differently. Just as some straight people get their panties in a twist when you use the word marriage...so do some gay people. The only reason I want it to be called "marriage" is for the reasons I listed a long time ago, that Ms.FF only chose to pick and choose through Just like people pick and choose their verses in the bible, just like the people seem to pick and choose where the seperation of church and state should start. It is because if I get "married" in california it must be recognized in louisiana, or arkansas, or florida, if my partner was dying in the hospital they would have to let me in, if she dies I would still get her pensions. If they didn't at least I would have a law suit to help further the cause. Every year we get closer to equality and fairness. The thing is there are still two accepted forms of prejudice in this world...fat people and gay people. I happen to be both. Civil Unions are not recognized everywhere. Here in Louisiana there are no such things, so if I was civily unionized (hehe) in California, then as civil unions don't exist here, I would get nothing...as marriage is recognized here, I would. Either let the government get out of the marriage business or let marriage be for everyone. One way or the other. Time will only tell which one happens first. I understand that you don't mean anything negative to me personally. I appreciate that...but then you have to understand that I am a gay person. So it is really hard for me not to take offense, honestly. I am trying though. You have not offended me in this thread, though I highly disagree with you. This is more than a debate with me, but I think the subject should be up for debate. I'm glad it is. I think even with people who disagree I think it gets people thinking. It's the Bible throwers that offend me, the comparison to child molesters, beastility, and sister marrying that offends me. And using God to beat people down that offends EVERYONE. Your vote doesn't offend me. I just do not believe that it should be something we vote on, however. The majority is not always right. I can be patient though, give us five years and we will have you outnumbered. :laugh: Then we can win the vote, and you marriage nazis can complain. Of course I mean that in the sweetest way. Mostly kidding.

LJM- Ain't it the truth.

tapshoes and Ezma- two of my favorite people ever.

You really are a one trick pony.

No I am a little down, but I'm trying not to dwell on it. I'm really honestly fighting with myself. I know that if I eat right, with out drinking, eating good hard meat, I can only finish 3/4 of a chicken strip. But if I eat mash potatoes I can eat two bowls. If I take a bite of a biscuit I will be too full, if I eat a biscuit with a glass of milk, I can eat the whole thing. I'm doing...okay...but I need to do better. I realize what I'm doing and I've gotten so much better, but I still have a long way to go. Honestly, I had icecream all weekend. It's better than my worst times. When I would have two or three bowls, just one bowl, but I was doing so good. I got really stressed out and bought a 1/2 gallon of icecream and while I do just fine with it out of the house, I'm not so good with it in the house. Now that I've admitted that I can maybe throw it away when I get home. I also had bacon. In fact, it was a weekend of pain for my poor diet. That's why you guys didn't see me this weekend. :laugh: I feel just so ashamed, but that is why I started this thread, because I tend to hide things. Since I was little. I don't have to do that anymore, but old habits die hard, and anything that I hide I do end up eating a lot more than I would normally. So there it is. I'm still learning. I'm still trying. I need to do better. I really don't think I need a fill. I mean sometimes I can eat a whole sandwich, and maybe even some snap peas with it, (with out drinking) but sometimes I can only have one bite of a chicken strip and be full. What do you guys think. As long as I can stop the drinking then I think it will be better. It just was a bad week.

You tell Negative Nelly, that I know people that know people and she better be quiet.

If you go by your definitions, sweetie, A brother and a sister could have kids. They would be severely messed up, but genetically it's possible. So I would assume that you would think it was okay, if I follow the reasons you have put out that gays should not be considered to be allowed to marry. Sound silly, it's how I feel about most of your replies, no offense. I know you just don't understand. I can't make you understand. I think it was a silly question. I don't care if your tolerant or not, honestly, I probably would have ignored you and patty green on any other day and never even answered you original post in this forum. It just happened that you replied at a time that I was so heart broken, same thing for the other thread I replied in about homosexuality. I think voting against marriage is fine. Go ahead you guys. I personally disagree wholeheartedly. I have commented several times that the church could have the word marriage if they want and it could be up to the church who they "marry" or not. Call it civil unions for everyone. Whatever. it's a step in the right direction. You do know there are gay churches though, don't you? Churchs can be for the marrying, Goverment could be for the unions. In my state even Civil Unions aren't recognized. If I lived in a state that I could be considered married, I could have the rights of a married person even out of state. If civil unions for gay couples are recognized as a partnership in all the states like a marriage is now. Then that is fine with me, maybe not all gay couples, and as long as I am not denied any rights if I don't stay in the state we made our commitment in. I have talked already about the things I had to go through when I came out. How much words, like yours and pgreens though maybe well meaning, caused so much pain in my life. I knew who I was, but according to these people who chose to speak for God I was evil and against him. I'm not. Many people, especially in the south, can't deal with it. They kill themselves, turn to drug or alcohol, or get married and have kids- Just like you want them too and are completely miserable. They take the misery out on their wives whom they never want to touch and their kids. Maybe they get what they need in an outside relationship, which is dangerous. So instead of just being one miserable person, their our now many many miserable families. Or they used to go into the clergy, denying themselves sex and who they are until they do something unspeakable to an innocent. Not all, but some. Can you deny that? With all the cases in the catholic church? It's not the vote that bothers me. I do believe in fairness, and equality, but if you don't. That's okay, or maybe you do, and you just can't see "marriage" as a government related thing...I can't really either, which is, if you will read my post, I ask that everyone has civil unions. Seperate but equal doesn't work. History should have shown everyone that. The thing is, to deny rights to any group of people that have committed no crime is unconstitutional. I do know that tolerance and love are winning out against hate and bigotry...not only in this case, but in many other cases. So I have hope. You know, for the most part I haven't seen a whole lot of hate coming from you. I really haven't. I've just read a lot of strong opinion on something you don't understand. That's okay. You will probably never understand. Just know that when you, or anyone else, talk about what you believe to be God's stance on homosexuality, how it's unnatural, you could be killing someone right then. You have no idea what it is like. How could you? I forgive your attitude and your words, because you don't understand. You haven't had friends destroy themselves because they couldn't handle what society has taught them about themselves. You haven't watched someone try to "pray the gay away" and fail, and beat themselves up and cry. You weren't born like me. You didn't have reason to cry when Matthew Shephard was killed. I understand. This is more to me than a vote, or debate, about the definition of marriage. You will have to understand that is what I am so passionate about. Because I have seen and have experienced these things. I almost didn't make it because of the words that people spoke. I was almost destroyed. Words can be powerful powerful things, especially on an adolescent girl coming to terms with herself and why she couldn't giggle about the boys like her friends did. Then as she got older realizing what she was and doing her best to fight it. I don't want anyone else to go through that. It's miserable, and it almost destroyed me, and has destroyed many people before me. I accepted who I am, I love myself. Your words, or anyone else's do not hurt me now. I know them to be uneducated (not school wise, but in this situation) and most people don't have to empathy to understand what they are doing. So, Ms.FF, keep your ideas. I will fight against you. I promise as passionate as you, or PGreen think you might be on this issue, I am ten times your passion. You might have gay relatives, but I almost died. I have a lot more invested in acceptance than you do to deny it. I know "marriage" itself is sensitive, but I will offend even people I think are decent human beings like yourself or plain (because you both are I think) to get my point across that we are here, we are who we are, and we deserve the same things and rights as everyone else. It's not just the word marraige to me. It's not just a definiton to me. I'm sorry if you felt that I called you intolerant. Maybe you are, but that is something you will have to deal with. Maybe you aren't, but this marriage issue is just so important that you maybe come across that way. Either way, I hope that you do always stand up for what you believe in...whether your wrong or right...just remember you might not understand the issue as fully as you think you do. But stand up, be heard. If that is what you feel in your heart you have to do.

Sounds good shoes. I am doing okay. I guess it's time for a fill again.