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4 minutes ago, Orchids&Dragons said:

OMgosh, what are you lifting? Anvils?

Skips - traditionally in the big money comps they were filled with increasing amounts of silver dollars and last man standing took them home!

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10 minutes ago, Albus said:

Skips - traditionally in the big money comps they were filled with increasing amounts of silver dollars and last man standing took them home!

Well, that's a cool bit of history! Thanks!

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@NurseMichael & @Albus - you guys are badass! That cinches what I have long suspected. I cannot get my deadlift over 260lbs and have tried for 3 years. I could not decide if it was from lack of caloric intake or from a lifetime of spinal and leg injuries. Seeing you guys killing it pretty much say that it's not my food intake.

Congratulations guys, truly fantastic work.

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5 minutes ago, BigViffer said:

@NurseMichael & @Albus - you guys are badass! That cinches what I have long suspected. I cannot get my deadlift over 260lbs and have tried for 3 years. I could not decide if it was from lack of caloric intake or from a lifetime of spinal and leg injuries. Seeing you guys killing it pretty much say that it's not my food intake.

Congratulations guys, truly fantastic work.

Cheers @BigViffer, you were a big part of my motivation to get back in the gym!

That DL was at 18”, currently at 160kg for a standard but my next aim is 180kg. I’ve already got my 2 plate bench and 3 plate squat so just missing the 4 plate DL 😊

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On 6/3/2019 at 9:18 AM, BigViffer said:

@NurseMichael & @Albus - you guys are badass! That cinches what I have long suspected. I cannot get my deadlift over 260lbs and have tried for 3 years. I could not decide if it was from lack of caloric intake or from a lifetime of spinal and leg injuries. Seeing you guys killing it pretty much say that it's not my food intake.

Congratulations guys, truly fantastic work.

I've found the popular strength programs to be very helpful - many have apps and you just plug in the numbers and do what the app says. It will systematically increase weight over time until you plateau - they even know how to deload when you hit plateaus.

On Monday for deadlifts I'll pull 330lbs for 8+ reps which puts my 1RM around 400lbs. I started at 180lbs after surgery and followed Strong Lifts 5x5, 3x5, 3x3, then Madcow 5x5 and now Wendler 531. My goal was a base level of strength with 1RMs of bench 315lbs, Squat 350lbs, overhead press 200lbs and deadlift 400lbs. Now I'm moving to adding more size. Most of this I did with a caloric intake of 2500-3000 calories and 180-230g of Protein per day. I've found with this intake getting the lifts done is not the issue but recovery the next day is the issue. I'm still working through this stuff myself. I'm sure non-bariatric surgery lifters doing my programs and weights are probably up around 4000+ calories....

Keep up the great work!

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On 8/24/2019 at 9:35 AM, PWMDMD said:

I've found the popular strength programs to be very helpful - many have apps and you just plug in the numbers and do what the app says. It will systematically increase weight over time until you plateau - they even know how to deload when you hit plateaus.

Yep, once I stopped doing "silly-****", I've followed the Starting Strength and subsequent Barbell Prescription programs. Typical male ego is just the issue now. I should be grateful for the lifts I accomplish honestly. Prior to surgery I couldn't even lift my left leg nor carry a gallon of milk. Whining about a 260 deadlift and 250 squat just sounds like petulance given where I started from!

2500-3000 calories?! I just checked my records, I have only hit 3,000 calories 6 times since surgery, and 2500 calories 33 times!

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On 5/28/2019 at 11:23 PM, BlueCrush said:

I haven't been very active on here as I'm a little salty that BariatricPal's Mexico hospital screwed me out of a $1,000 deposit after their surgeon left their company. I don't want to get into that in this thread, or the admins will just delete this thread like they did the others where I've discussed it.

@BlueCrush

looks like your PS was a success! Great weight loss too.

Sorry about the problems you had w/BP Mexico.< span style="font-size:20px;">😦

keep on keepon'

if you feel as good as you look - WOW!

kathy

congrats

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18 hours ago, BigViffer said:

Yep, once I stopped doing "silly-****", I've followed the Starting Strength and subsequent Barbell Prescription programs. Typical male ego is just the issue now. I should be grateful for the lifts I accomplish honestly. Prior to surgery I couldn't even lift my left leg nor carry a gallon of milk. Whining about a 260 deadlift and 250 squat just sounds like petulance given where I started from!

2500-3000 calories?! I just checked my records, I have only hit 3,000 calories 6 times since surgery, and 2500 calories 33 times!

You should be proud of those lifts! Most people in this world can't DL and squat anywhere close to that weight.

Yeah...my calorie intake is an experiment. The only thing I'm really tracking is waste size. The idea being regardless of weight changes as long as my waste size doesn't increase and I'm lifting more this week than last week the weight changes should be mostly lean mass. So far I'm on week three of 3000 calories and weight has not changed and waste size is the same. This week I should hit new PRs so I'm just trying to feed the furnace - within reason. My main reason for increasing calories though was I'm trying to put on more muscle and build more strength.

I'm also trying to see if it's possible to come back from all the adaptive metabolic changes associated with weight loss. Like many I lost 70lbs on my own in 2012 - pretty easily as up until that point I was eating a huge calorie excess and just going to a normal calorie intake was enough. I lost my 70lbs and slowly, while still exercising and tracking my calorie intake all the weight came back plus some extra. There's decent literature on adaptive thermogenesis as one possible cause for the dreaded weight loss relapse. After that point it was much harder to lose weight again and even going 500-1000 calories under what I did the first time wasn't enough to lose weight again.

The question for me is with very intensive training to build lean mass can I change my body composition and can I somewhat restore normal metabolic levels? The first weight loss I went to 3000 calories to lose the 70lbs and still found myself hungry all the time but it was doable. Subsequent weight loss attempts 3000 calories did nothing for weight loss and going to 2500 or 2000 calories meant I was starving all the time. A year out from surgery I naturally want to eat about 2200-2500 calories per day and getting 3000 calories in per day often feels like a chore - very different than prior to surgery. If I for whatever reason stop heavy lifting I will happily go down to 2200-2500 calories per day as I believe this to be my average daily expenditure without lifting.

So far so good!

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I'm at about the two year mark now. Definitely slower gains at this point, but still going strong.

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