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Regarding shock and awe, I don't know how I can make it any clearer, plain. The reason you keep seeing me use it in my posts is because you challenged me and continue to challenge me on it. I've explained myself as well as I can. I don't think you choose to make an effort to understand my point. As far as I'm concerned, we can give that a rest.

Congress dodged taking responsibility for the war in Iraq by giving Bush the power to go off and do it. You even cited stuff that indicated that. It's been done in the past, i.e., Vietnam. Congress did not decide that they thought it was right to declare war on Iraq. They decided to let Bush do it and take the heat for it. If you're talking about the Congress voting to extend the war and send more troops, commit more money, etc., they sure did do that.

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Shock and awe, technically known as rapid dominance, is a military doctrine based on the use of overwhelming power, dominant battlefield awareness, dominant maneuvers, and spectacular displays of force to paralyze an adversary's perception of the battlefield and destroy its will to fight. The doctrine was written by Harlan K. Ullman and James P. Wade and is a product of the National Defense University of the United States in 1996.

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Congress dodged taking responsibility for the war in Iraq by giving Bush the power to go off and do it. You even cited stuff that indicated that. It's been done in the past, i.e., Vietnam. Congress did not decide that they thought it was right to declare war on Iraq. They decided to let Bush do it and take the heat for it. If you're talking about the Congress voting to extend the war and send more troops, commit more money, etc., they sure did do that.

BJean, that doesn't even make sense. They gave him the power to do it. They condoned it. They voted to give him the ability to do it. Now, you can try to rewrite history all you want in order to feed your insatiable need to blame Bush only, but 2/3 of the Congress said, "Yes, we give you the authority, the power, and the ability to bomb Iraq."

You can deny it all you want, but it just makes you look silly.

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Silly is claiming that I am denying anything. This discussion was between plain and me. You obviously are out of the loop.

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Silly is claiming that I am denying anything. This discussion was between plain and me. You obviously are out of the loop.

Your posts are nothing but denials of facts we prove up, especially if it flies in the face of your agenda. It would be silly if it wasn't so pathetic and sad.

And if you are having a private conversation with somebody, I would assume it is in PM.

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Beth you don't deserve a response from me, so this is all you're gonna get. lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala. :)

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