Not Protein Driven

[GreenTealael 24,897]

I was up very late watching YouTube (Dr. V- Vong ?) He has some interesting ideas about not being so Protein driven after surgery.

I have already consulted my team and have been given the green light so I'm slowly transitioning to plant based again ( I'm flexible at the moment leaning heavily on plant matter) but also I'm not sold on being protein crazed either, especially the further out I go.

I will have to watch carbs forever because I'm sensitive to them so there is a delicate balance for me.

Is there anyone following the Dr. V approach?

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[LaLaDee 519]

This is something I have been thinking about lately - whether I need as much Protein as I used to. I would love to go plant based burn i don’t have it in me. But I question whether I still need 90gm or protein a day! I’m not losing as much weight any more, so maybe the risk of muscle loss is not as bad. I do think that protein fills you up and stops you eating sugars and fats so it makes dieting easier. However, I have been thinking about a balanced diet and eating slightly more healthy carbs, like brown rice. I’m doing this because I want a healthy microbiome. However, eating 80-100 protein grams a day helped me lose 150 pounds so I’m trying evolve my diet slowly.

[GreenTealael 24,897]

This is something I have been thinking about lately - whether I need as much Protein as I used to. I would love to go plant based burn i don’t have it in me. But I question whether I still need 90gm or Protein a day! I’m not losing as much weight any more, so maybe the risk of muscle loss is not as bad. I do think that protein fills you up and stops you eating sugars and fats so it makes dieting easier. However, I have been thinking about a balanced diet and eating slightly more healthy carbs, like brown rice. I’m doing this because I want a healthy microbiome. However, eating 80-100 protein grams a day helped me lose 150 pounds so I’m trying evolve my diet slowly.

Yes I have a lot of questions now about the true protein need

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[Creekimp13 5,838]

My doc and nutritionist say 60g per day is minimum....and getting it from plant based sources is totally ok.

But DO get your 60g.....It's important to protect your muscle mass....because your muscles are the furnace that fuel your metabolism...don't let them waste. Also, remember that your heart is a muscle and needs to be protected.

[Creekimp13 5,838]

Rule of thumb... .36g of protien per pound of body weight for healthy maintenance.

(Also...this should be obvious....but always talk to your team about making these changes.)

Edited July 22, 2018 by Creekimp13

[Screwballski 540]

I modified my Protein goal (post-op) at about two weeks out to 60-70g. I had to switch to plant based protein immediately after surgery and could barely get 60 in let alone 80-100. I also found I felt far healthier at that level than (even pre-op) when I was always stuffed at 80-100g’s. The rules are important but sometimes our bodies are pretty good at guiding us, too.

[GreenTealael 24,897]

I'm wondering about different/countries cultures around the world ( doing a bit of research now ) and what the WHO recommends as a standard

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[Creekimp13 5,838]

8 minutes ago, Tealael said:

and what the WHO recommends as a standard

http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/43411/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

(this link works better)

From Page 38...

Based upon the data available for normal adult humans, Protein requirement has a log normal distribution (7), as shown in Figure 4. This distribution has a median of 4.654, equivalent to 105 mg nitrogen/kg per day or 0.656 g protein/kg per day.

Edited July 22, 2018 by Creekimp13

[Creekimp13 5,838]

170 pounds = about 77kg.

77kg x .65g = about 50g per day

So...WHO is saying the median Protein requirement is a little lower than American nutritionists who put it about about 61g per day. (for a 170 pound healthy person)

This is pretty negligible to me. I'd probably err on the +10g side the Americans go with because our breakdown of foods has been altered (by our surgeries) and I like to err on the side of safety.

My personal feeling is to follow my doc and dietitian's advice on this and shoot for 60g. Seems reasonable and not significantly different than what WHO recommends for people with intact stomachs around the globe:)

Edited July 22, 2018 by Creekimp13

[GreenTealael 24,897]

Interesting... I'm going to keep digging around for fun

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[GreenTealael 24,897]

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[GreenTealael 24,897]

I have no problem staying at the 60g but I guess there is a little flexibility ,

I wonder if somedays I don't have to worry so much and I can focus on vegetables only? I guess that's what I ultimately want to know.

[GreenTealael 24,897]

Glitch

[sillykitty 10,708]

I struggle with Protein because I have a lot of restriction, and can't reasonably get to 60 g with food alone. I'd really love to ditch Protein Shakes. But I read the below article, and it scared me into drinking the damn shakes everyday

http://time.com/4374959/protein-health-benefits-nutrition/

[SummerEssence 130]

If you have Netflix’s look at this documentary called: The Health it’s talking about Protein, however you may never eat meat again after watching this, I definitely don’t care for meat after watching this. World renown doctor’s talking about protein and how plant base is better for you. P.S. you can probably watch it on YouTube to if you don’t have Netflix’s. I watched this way before I ever thought about getting the sleeve, plan to be sleeved soon.