Do you HAVE to follow a low carb diet?

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

37 minutes ago, Berry78 said:

Ok fine. Here is a definition. I guess I got confused because meat + spinach is definitely ketogenic.

It really isn't Keto because if the meat is lean and the spinach is plain, that is just low carb.

The key to eating keto, is the fat ratio.

[Joann454 1,329]

It really isn't Keto because if the meat is lean and the spinach is plain, that is just low carb.
The key to eating keto, is the fat ratio.

So is it more like lchf? I will google it because I need to learn how to eat this way anyway. Just curious if it's similar.

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

Yeah I think in Europe, they use the term LCHF more than Keto, in the past to use an app that had settings for it, Lifesum.

The yearly cost was too high last year (I just checked and they lowered it if you buy a year at a time) so I switched back to LoseIt. The Developers of Cronometer have settings for Keto also.

I think I might spend the evening taking another look at Cronometer. I used to use it to make nutrition labels for my custom recipes.

Edited May 31, 2017 by OutsideMatchInside

[Joann454 1,329]

Thanks Outside, I have done this and enjoyed it very much.

[slimmingsteff 31]

The ideal diet for WLS surgery patients is simple. 64-100 grams Protein a day, depending on your needs. 64-120 oz [mention=255522]her1981[/mention]just emphasized as I was typing this up.
The only reason during weight loss to up their caloric intake, and carbs, is if they're body building or doing significant exercise. For the vast majority of people on sites like this who are sedentary or low active, carb intake is proportionate to chances of failure.

I lift heavy right now, and go to the gym 6x a week. Do weights + cardio. I will most definitely continue my love for the gym post op. Although sedentary or not, carbs are supposed to be ok as long as you don't eat more than your activity level. Everyone is different. I would probably fail on Keto and binge on carbs. But if I keep carbs apart of my meals, no reason to binge or feel deprived I've lost 5.7 pounds in a week, and I've been eating 100+ carbs, 80g of protein and about 50g of fat.

[slimmingsteff 31]

Low carb isn't Keto and keto isn't low carb. People keep mixing up the terms and they are not the same thing.
A post-op diet is low carb, not keto.
Almost all bariatric diets post-op are low carb and low fat (which is kind of impossible).
The reason so many people fail at Keto is because they don't understand what it is or how it works. You have to set your macros and control the ratios carefully. If you aren't you are just low carbing, which is fine, but it isn't Keto.
Unless you are vegetarian/vegan, you are going to low carb for the rest of your life anyway if you are eating properly in the right order.
If you have plate of food, you are supposed to eat your Protein FIRST. First means ALONE not alternating bites with other foods, FIRST. If you have your proper portion of protein 3-4 ounces, and you finish that, THEN eat your veggies/carbs, you will be lucky to get an ounce of those items in. The protein is going to make you full by eating it first.
People don't follow these directions, they eat alternating bites. They don't measure and weigh their portions. If you eat your veggies alternating bites with your protein, you can eat a lot more food, and you won't feel as full and you will not get all your protein in.
This is why I eat my veggies separate at Snacks so I can get enough veggies in while meeting my protein goals. If I didn't eat my veggies separate, I would never eat any, because 3 to 4 ounces of protein fills me up. On a typical day I eat 4 cups of spinach. That is pretty much the sum of my carbs, and it is barely 4 carbs, the rest of my carbs are from half and half. If I have broccoli instead I might hit 6 carbs in broccoli and even that is a stretch because broccoli is more filling and I can't eat as much of it as I can of spinach. If you are eating protein and green veggies, it is basically impossible not to low carb.

I understand the order. How far out are you? And a few people have told me they eat carbs and they manage!

[Berry78 4,261]

You can often find out about people by clicking on their name. It takes you to their profile and if they have filled it out you can see their stats. Outside is almost 2 years out and almost to goal.

Everyone is different. Some can handle carbs all the time, some can't, ever. Some can't lose with carbs, but they need them for maintenance.

We are a varied group. From the 180lb lady with PCOS but no true food addiction to the 700lb man that is bed ridden and food is his life... and everything in between.

We are all here to make ourselves healthier and happier, and if what we were doing before worked, we wouldn't be HERE!

Most of us didn't gain weight eating salmon and asparagus. That IS something we have in common.

[Mynewlife4me 8]

Ok, so what is the difference?

Rude!

[Sullie06 1,047]

I try and keep my daily carbs between 50-100 grams a day and that works for me. I don't track super seriously, I just make sure I'm measuring my food and entering everything that goes in to my mouth into my tracker.

[OutsideMatchInside 10,166]

5 hours ago, slimmingsteff said:

I understand the order. How far out are you? And a few people have told me they eat carbs and they manage!

23 months.

I know lots of people that eat more carbs than me and are successful long term.

The thing is I don't actually like carbs, so I don't eat them. I eat the things I like.

I hate rice, I hate Beans, I don't like Pasta unless it is freshly made and then only one kind, and only like fresh baked (rye and pumpernickel) bread. and croissants. Crackers just make no logical sense to me what so ever. I think I have eaten crackers less than 5 times in my entire life and I am just making that number up because I can't even recall eating them.

The issue with carbs post-op from WLS is carbs are EASY to eat. They go down very easy because they don't trigger restriction and you can eat them in massive (normal sized and binge size) quantities. So a lot of people that are food addicts go right back to carbs as soon as they get a chance. Then once they start, they can't seem to stop.

My choice to limit and not introduce carbs came from not only just not liking them but from years and years of reading stories on WLS forums of people that regained. There was always one common denominator, carbs. Complex or otherwise. Complex seem to be a gateway to not so complex.

[Berry78 4,261]

7 hours ago, Mynewlife4me said:

Rude!

This tickled me, because I wasn't trying to be rude! Lol. I Understood Low Carb to be daily consumption under 100g, and Keto to be daily consumption under 20g, but Outside seemed be be implying that there was more to the story, but I didn't see where she said what the more was.

I'm honestly still confused on the matter, but I guess I'll figure it out eventually, and it doesn't matter at this point, cuz I'm doing low carb, not keto.

[Berry78 4,261]

Ok, found an article that explains what Outside was getting at about ratios.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.bodybuilding.com/amp-content/ask-the-nutrition-tactitian-whats-the-difference-between-low-carb-and-keto.html

[njgal 535]

"If you have plate of food, you are supposed to eat your Protein FIRST. First means ALONE not alternating bites with other foods, FIRST. If you have your proper portion of protein 3-4 ounces, and you finish that, THEN eat your veggies/carbs, you will be lucky to get an ounce of those items in. The protein is going to make you full by eating it first.

People don't follow these directions, they eat alternating bites."

Thank you, hadn't even realized this wasn't clear in my mind until I read this!

[njgal 535]

Most of us didn't gain weight eating salmon and asparagus. That IS something we have in common.

Hahaha! True

[slimmingsteff 31]

23 months.
I know lots of people that eat more carbs than me and are successful long term.
The thing is I don't actually like carbs, so I don't eat them. I eat the things I like.
I hate rice, I hate Beans, I don't like Pasta unless it is freshly made and then only one kind, and only like fresh baked (rye and pumpernickel) bread. and croissants. Crackers just make no logical sense to me what so ever. I think I have eaten crackers less than 5 times in my entire life and I am just making that number up because I can't even recall eating them.
The issue with carbs post-op from WLS is carbs are EASY to eat. They go down very easy because they don't trigger restriction and you can eat them in massive (normal sized and binge size) quantities. So a lot of people that are food addicts go right back to carbs as soon as they get a chance. Then once they start, they can't seem to stop.
My choice to limit and not introduce carbs came from not only just not liking them but from years and years of reading stories on WLS forums of people that regained. There was always one common denominator, carbs. Complex or otherwise. Complex seem to be a gateway to not so complex.

Hmm. I have never heard that. I actually heard the opposite, that carbs are so filling that they don't allow you to have room for the more important nutrients like Protein.