who supports right to choose

[gadgetlady 4]

People are free to think whatever they want, but if they act on it then they might be spending the rest of their life in jail. Murder is against the law in this country and abortion is not.

It once was, and it may be again.

There is no explaining what some crackpot thinks about when it is ok to kill a born child. Even insane people are allowed to express an opinion.

Why is your opinion any more valid than theirs? And, again, one of them is a Nobel Laureate. They're not commonly what's considered "insane" or "crackpots".

What is the difference between a baby 1 day before he is born and 1 day after? The baby 1 day after is (currently) protected by the law. The baby 1 day before is not. Why do you think partial-birth abortion involves stabbing the baby at the base of the neck and sucking out the brains? Because they never want the complication of having a live birth, like they have in prostaglandin and saline abortions. This is not hyperbole. Abortion is legal up until the moment of birth.

[gadgetlady 4]

had a friend who NEEDED A PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION, to save her life

Can you give details about this? Why couldn't she let the baby live instead? The procedure is the same, just minus the killling part. How would not removing the baby's brains have impacted her medical situation?

[joe7777 1]

One thing that makes me laugh is that most people who are anti-choice are bible huggers. WELLLLLLL....read your bible. ''And The Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being.'' (Genesis 2:7) I am not a fan of religion or the bible, but doesn't that just make you laugh, If something has not had a breath of life, it is not a living being. So now you can STOP calling a bunch of cells a baby. Thanks.

[SlimTarnishedDiva 1]

I do not think it was ok to force pregnancies on slave women; however, once one is pregnant, I do not think it's ok to take the life of the second human being in existence.

:omg::car::think

This is an astounding statement to me. Slaves who were big, and strong were made to breed with each other to create strong kids who could start working the fields at younger ages. Sometimes, they were made to breed so they could have kids to entertain the slave master's kids. Often times, slave masters RAPED the women they enslaved. So as long as the baby lives it excuses the inhumane treatment of these women. Don't you think that it is inhumane to force a woman to bear an unwanted fetus.

The government's job is to protect one person's rights from infringing on another's.

The Government's job is to stay out of a woman's personal business. As far as rights are concerned, whats developing inside her, and what she does with it, is her business, and HERS ALONE. AGAIN NOT YOURS.

What if I decide you're not a human being right now and it's ok to enslave or kill you?

:omg::think

Again, I think your visit to the UGR didn't teach you anything. Evoking the right to enslave someone, treat them less than a human being, and the thought of murdering them to prove your stance on abortion, is absurd, and alarming!!

[phyllisc 0]

Why is your opinion any more valid than theirs? And, again, one of them is a Nobel Laureate. They're not commonly what's considered "insane" or "crackpots".

Nobel Laureate or not, advocating that it is alright to kill a living person at any age is stupid. Whether my opinion is valid or not in anyone elses opinion doesn't concern me. It is my opinion, I own it, I live it, and I don't apologize for it.

[SlimTarnishedDiva 1]

Can you give details about this? Why couldn't she let the baby live instead? The procedure is the same, just minus the killling part. How would not removing the baby's brains have impacted her medical situation?

One, the doctor made the decision, not her she fought tooth and nail. She wanted her baby she was only 5mths pregnant. She developed a blood clot in her lung, and was dying. I shouldn't have to justify my statement to you, especially since you want us to believe some of the stuff you want to pass off as real. I am done with this thread for now, I need to cool down.

[gadgetlady 4]

Nobel Laureate or not, advocating that it is alright to kill a living person at any age is stupid.

I agree. I just start at the beginning of life, while you choose to start at "birth", which can be arbitrarily anywhere from 19 or 20 weeks to 42 or 43 weeks. I don't believe life has an arbitrary inception.

[gadgetlady 4]

One, the doctor made the decision, not her she fought tooth and nail. She wanted her baby she was only 5mths pregnant. She developed a blood clot in her lung, and was dying.

But why did the baby have to die? The procedure is the same - delivery of the baby - the only difference being whether you kill the baby during the course of the delivery or not. Babies survive at 5 months. It doesn't make any sense.

[SlimTarnishedDiva 1]

They were wrong. Your claim was that the Bible condones and advocates slavery, not that the Bible was USED to condone and advocate slavery.

My apologies..I thought you were wise enough to link the 2 together...IT'S IN THE BIBLE..SO BIGOTED BIBLE THUMPERS BELIEVED IT AND LIVED IT!!

It is either a baby or it is not. What someone else thinks about it doesn't change it from baby to foreign object and back to baby again if she changes her mind. It is what it is. Mom's opinion of it doesn't affect what it is.

In whose mind, yours or the women actually has said zygote/embryo/fetus/ abnormality in it's uterus.

YOU were the one who said it wasn't right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally, for me..it's not something I would naturally need, when I choose to get pregnant it will be under my own power.... but it's still not my right to tell another women that because of my beliefs she can't have an abortion.

A baby isn't an abnormality! It is not a cancer! It is a human being!

In whose mind, yours or the women actually has said zygote/embryo/fetus/ abnormality in it's uterus.

It is the same in many ways. It is contingent on how we define our fellow human beings. I'm sorry if it offends you. Abortion is ugly.

Comparing a mother who wants an abortion to Hitler is ugly. Comparing abortion to slavery is ugly. Forcing a woman to carry an unwanted zygote/embryo/fetus is wrong

:eek:That's a load of crap and you know it. They are given to anyone who wants them.

:car:

That is an out right LIE!! :boredPushing propaganda, and spin is wrong, but I am glad that I know better...and so do others! They weren't just given to anyone who wanted it. Abortions are given up until the 4th month, if that...beyond that it HAS to be medically necessary.

[SlimTarnishedDiva 1]

But why did the baby have to die? The procedure is the same - delivery of the baby - the only difference being whether you kill the baby during the course of the delivery or not. Babies survive at 5 months. It doesn't make any sense.

You are calling me a liar, now huh? Feeling backed into a corner with facts, so you go personal. All you need to know is my friend wanted her baby. She was dying, they said we have to take it.

[gadgetlady 4]

That is an out right LIE!! :boredPushing propaganda, and spin is wrong, but I am glad that I know better...and so do others! They weren't just given to anyone who wanted it. Abortions are given up until the 4th month, if that...beyond that it HAS to be medically necessary.

Either you're deliberately lying or you're just plain misinformed. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you're just plain misinformed.

Open up the yellow pages and turn to abortion. You will see ads for abortion up to 24 weeks -- that's 6 months. There goes your 4 month theory. These abortions are given with no medical necessity required. In the companion case to Roe v. Wade (Doe v. Bolton), abortion was extended to be available to a woman through all 9 months of pregnancy if it was determined to be necessary for her health -- which was defined as including mental health -- in the determination of one physician, including an abortionist. All a woman has to say is she can't handle having a baby right now and the abortionist marks it down as "medically necessary."

[gadgetlady 4]

You are calling me a liar, now huh? Feeling backed into a corner with facts, so you go personal. All you need to know is my friend wanted her baby. She was dying, they said we have to take it.

I'm not calling you a liar; I'm asking you to clarify what you've stated. I am not "backed into a corner with facts" and I'm not getting personal -- I think the reverse is true. I'm asking you why your friend HAD to kill the baby. But since we're here, I happen to have a friend who is a doctor and I asked him if an abortion would be mandatory in the case of a woman with a clot in her lung. He said absolutely not; they could operate without performing an abortion. But even if there's something we don't know about this situation, the question remains: why KILL the baby and not give him or her a chance to survive? There is no earthly reason why you have to stab the baby at the base of the neck and suck the brains out! Just finish the delivery and see what the survivability of the baby is.

[SlimTarnishedDiva 1]

I'm not calling you a liar; I'm asking you to clarify what you've stated. I am not "backed into a corner with facts" and I'm not getting personal -- I think the reverse is true. I'm asking you why your friend HAD to kill the baby. But since we're here, I happen to have a friend who is a doctor and I asked him if an abortion would be mandatory in the case of a woman with a clot in her lung. He said absolutely not; they could operate without performing an abortion. But even if there's something we don't know about this situation, the question remains: why KILL the baby and not give him or her a chance to survive? There is no earthly reason why you have to stab the baby at the base of the neck and suck the brains out! Just finish the delivery and see what the survivability of the baby is.

Never will I feel backed into a corner by any pro-life zealot. Well, I am glad your Doctor friend can diagnose through a computer.:car::rolleyes

[gadgetlady 4]

That is an out right LIE!! :boredPushing propaganda, and spin is wrong, but I am glad that I know better...and so do others! They weren't just given to anyone who wanted it. Abortions are given up until the 4th month, if that...beyond that it HAS to be medically necessary.

Didn't take long to find this: Safer Abortion: Safe Second Trimester Abortions to 24 Weeks at Liberty Women's - NYC, NY

and

Planned Parenthood - Abortion Services - Surgical

and

Outpatient second-trimester D&E abortion through 24 menstrual weeks’ gestation

and

Fees

I won't continue. It is obvious from the above that you are the one pushing propaganda and spin. Abortion is legal through 9 months of pregnancy, easily found through 6 months. I don't know from where you have received your information, but it is clearly and demonstrably wrong.

[gadgetlady 4]

Well, I am glad your Doctor friend can diagnose through a computer.:car::rolleyes

He didn't diagnose. Given the information provided: a 5 month pregnant woman with a clot in her lung, is a partial-birth abortion ever a medical necessity? Answer: no. If there's more information you'd like to provide, I can add to the scenario for him.

The fact remains, you still won't answer the question. Why not deliver the baby alive?