Day 29: Seriously, though.

[ybnormal 21]

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[tntransplant06 20]

That post, while heartfelt, should have went Privately to crosswind. Not to be rude, but it's really nobody's business other than hers, as she felt upset. It's like you're trying to own the thread....sorry to sound rude.

[swizzly 901]

I like the depth and honesty of this thread, and I don't think anything posted here has been inappropriate. I have found it cathartic and touching.

[camellia 0]

I completely agree, Swizzly. This thread has been thoughtful, honest, moving, and helpful like no other I have yet read. I hope it becomes a trend... in which case I'm sure to end up in the ranks of "vst addict" too! Thanks to all of you for sharing so openly. It means so much.

[crosswind 134]

ybnormal, I am sorry for the pain and loss in your life just like I'm hella sorry for mine. My point is really that the vsg is a great surgery for weight loss but it sucks for dead relatives, rotten financial decisions, lost romantic opportunities, homelessness and unfortunate decor. All it does is stop you from eating too much.

I think, though, everbody kind of wants to tell the story of how they got fat. "The story of how I got fat, " is always just a f**king abysmal story. It's a true story, but it's *awful* -- usually -- unless there is a pregnancy involved or you're from one of those African tribes that pay many many goats for a really chunky bride.

Now I could tell you my story which involves a dying relative, career detonation and being wrongfully chased across the US by the FBI ( no, really) but personally -- and I don't mean this to make your story irrelevant -- or *anyone's* -- but I am not sure if it's relevant to the problem of being overweight. It might have contributed to the story of how you got fat, But it might not be helpful at all in getting rid of the problem. I wonder sometimes if that's part of the issue here. I mean is your life *really* so bad that you gained a hundred pounds or could you have actually had a very shitty life or a very marvelous, Oprah-type life and gotten fat anyway?

What I'm trying to say is that I suspect attaching "the story" to being overweight is an unhealthy practice emotionally. It takes all your failings, losses, miseries, bad decisions, abuses, and karmic unfairness and slaps them on your thighs. That's a lot of misery for one pair of thighs to manage, you know? The truth of the matter is that none of those things are in fact on your thighs; what's there is thousands of excess calories. Our surgeons are not treating General Life Suckitude, they are treating a medical problem: obesity. If we all go on afterwards to win the Nobel prize or learn to resurrect lost relatives, well then, rejoice therefore, But it's not really within the scope of treatment here.

I should also say that recovery from surgery tends to be a sort of introspective, Proustian period wherein lots of drugs are draining from your system and your internal organs are learning to operate on an alternate channel. This can really take a toll on your emotions. I'm reading people here who leapt out of bed and started doing the Safety Dance but mostly, I'm reading people like me who are already evincing co-morbidities, who have been comforting themselves with carb overloads for a fair number of years, who do not feel all that f**king well thanks because they just had majory surgery. They don't usually sound so thrilled with life frankly until a bit later.

So my other point is, I don't think I am personally any more challenged or melancholic than anybody else. My life is not *particularly* shitty. One problem I had is going to clear up over the next year, who knows what's going to come up next but the vsg is not going to help it.

The good news is this is the internet and my toes are safe .

[Kimberlina 18]

WOW. Thank you so much for being courageous enough to not only admit all of this to yourself but for sharing it with the rest of us who have the SAME struggles. With tears in my eyes.... THANK YOU.

Kim

[ybnormal 21]

I shared with everyone not to make anyone feel sorry for me or to say that's why I got fat, I shared to let you all know we're all in the same boat, and it should be a safe one.

I'll just quietly go away now. Seriously, I apologize for thread stealing and sharing. I would have done it sooner, but I was out of town. It's taken care of.

[Roseib 13]

Obesity is very hard to treat because it can involve genetics, other biological factors, psychological issues, and environmental factors. Often it is a combination of factors. We are so lucky that bariatric specialists know this now. So many doctors many of us have gone to in the past who moralistically told us it was simply a matter of self-discipline, inadvertently setting us up for continued failure. This is a gift.

[crosswind 134]

Obesity is very hard to treat because it can involve genetics, other biological factors, psychological issues, and environmental factors. Often it is a combination of factors. We are so lucky that bariatric specialists know this now. So many doctors many of us have gone to in the past who moralistically told us it was simply a matter of self-discipline, inadvertently setting us up for continued failure. This is a gift.

Absolutely Roseib.

[****** 12]

ybnormal, I am sorry for the pain and loss in your life just like I'm hella sorry for mine. My point is really that the vsg is a great surgery for weight loss but it sucks for dead relatives, rotten financial decisions, lost romantic opportunities, homelessness and unfortunate decor. All it does is stop you from eating too much.

I think, though, everbody kind of wants to tell the story of how they got fat. "The story of how I got fat, " is always just a f**king abysmal story. It's a true story, but it's *awful* -- usually -- unless there is a pregnancy involved or you're from one of those African tribes that pay many many goats for a really chunky bride.

Now I could tell you my story which involves a dying relative, career detonation and being wrongfully chased across the US by the FBI ( no, really) but personally -- and I don't mean this to make your story irrelevant -- or *anyone's* -- but I am not sure if it's relevant to the problem of being overweight. It might have contributed to the story of how you got fat, But it might not be helpful at all in getting rid of the problem. I wonder sometimes if that's part of the issue here. I mean is your life *really* so bad that you gained a hundred pounds or could you have actually had a very shitty life or a very marvelous, Oprah-type life and gotten fat anyway?

What I'm trying to say is that I suspect attaching "the story" to being overweight is an unhealthy practice emotionally. It takes all your failings, losses, miseries, bad decisions, abuses, and karmic unfairness and slaps them on your thighs. That's a lot of misery for one pair of thighs to manage, you know? The truth of the matter is that none of those things are in fact on your thighs; what's there is thousands of excess calories. Our surgeons are not treating General Life Suckitude, they are treating a medical problem: obesity. If we all go on afterwards to win the Nobel prize or learn to resurrect lost relatives, well then, rejoice therefore, But it's not really within the scope of treatment here.

I should also say that recovery from surgery tends to be a sort of introspective, Proustian period wherein lots of drugs are draining from your system and your internal organs are learning to operate on an alternate channel. This can really take a toll on your emotions. I'm reading people here who leapt out of bed and started doing the Safety Dance but mostly, I'm reading people like me who are already evincing co-morbidities, who have been comforting themselves with carb overloads for a fair number of years, who do not feel all that f**king well thanks because they just had majory surgery. They don't usually sound so thrilled with life frankly until a bit later.

So my other point is, I don't think I am personally any more challenged or melancholic than anybody else. My life is not *particularly* shitty. One problem I had is going to clear up over the next year, who knows what's going to come up next but the vsg is not going to help it.

The good news is this is the internet and my toes are safe .

Crosswind:

I love your posts, your insight, your humor and your intelligence. I find you (through these posts) to be a thoughtful, thought-provoking incredibly intelligent and articulate woman. I consider myself incredibly blessed to "know" you. Thank you for the raw honesty and frank brutality that come through when you pull the curtain away from that wonderful wizard of Oz. Sometimes he's so full o' shite messin' in our lives that being fat is really just a small Detour off the shitskyway we sometimes know as life. It ain't a bed of roses, and if it is, it's still filled with LOTS of manure (compost) at any given time.

My best to you and my sincere hope that you will never stop posting. You have the ability to pull all the weird word activity swirling around in my mind and express it precisely, succinctly and, entertainingly. I look forward to your posts -- thinking about them reminds of the old Anita Bryant tv ad "a day without oj is like a day without sunshine" except for me it's "a day without a Crosswind post is a day without fresh air."

You go girl -- you rock!

E

[swizzly 901]

I shared with everyone not to make anyone feel sorry for me or to say that's why I got fat, I shared to let you all know we're all in the same boat, and it should be a safe one.

I'll just quietly go away now. Seriously, I apologize for thread stealing and sharing. I would have done it sooner, but I was out of town. It's taken care of.

DUDE -- why did you delete?!?! Your stuff was great, and was an integral part of this awesome thread...?!? I wish you hadn't done that. What happened?

[crosswind 134]

Crosswind:

I love your posts, your insight, your humor and your intelligence. I find you (through these posts) to be a thoughtful, thought-provoking incredibly intelligent and articulate woman. I consider myself incredibly blessed to "know" you. Thank you for the raw honesty and frank brutality that come through when you pull the curtain away from that wonderful wizard of Oz. Sometimes he's so full o' shite messin' in our lives that being fat is really just a small Detour off the shitskyway we sometimes know as life. It ain't a bed of roses, and if it is, it's still filled with LOTS of manure (compost) at any given time.

My best to you and my sincere hope that you will never stop posting. You have the ability to pull all the weird word activity swirling around in my mind and express it precisely, succinctly and, entertainingly. I look forward to your posts -- thinking about them reminds of the old Anita Bryant tv ad "a day without oj is like a day without sunshine" except for me it's "a day without a Crosswind post is a day without fresh air."

You go girl -- you rock!

E

My goodness, thank you

Although I have to say for me it every once in a while it would be nice to have a day without Crosswind...

[Griselda 7]

I didn't see the deleted stuff and I feel I am missing out somehow!

[****** 12]

My goodness, thank you

Although I have to say for me it every once in a while it would be nice to have a day without Crosswind...

Isn't it really the TAILwind that gets to stinkin' up life for us?