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I didn't say she said anything about his race. I said she was spewing hate speech. She said he was old ugy creep. I said that was hate speech every bit as much as Imus nappy headed ho's comment. It just so happens he is white. Are you actually reading what I write? just curious.

Yes I am half mexican. My mother was full mexican and my father was full Irish, I think that makes me half mexican. It also makes me half Irish. Again, I could be wrong. What am I in denial about? Are you saying it was inappropriate for my mom to call us that? Are you saying I should have been offended by my mom? I would disagree with you saying I'm in denial. In fact, I think I'm being very honest and open even when it does not shed me in the best light. Again, sense of humor is a matter of opinion. I don't think you have a good sense of humor. That doesn't mean I'm correct. I'm sure you would disagree. And you obviously don't think I have a good sense of humor. Doesn't mean you are correct. You don't get to decide what I think is funny. I don't get to decide what you should think is funny. Do you think political humor is funny? I don't. But I'm sure there are a lot of people reading this who do. What does common sense have to do with humor? How do they even go together? Common sense IS just as important as book smarts but I'm still not understanding the link between common sense and humor.

I hope I get an answer soon on how to become an acceptable candidate for sarcasm. Maybe I'll google it.

No matter who the president of the First Amendment fan club is, whether it be you, me, or Imus. I think whoever it was should be very proud.

HYSTERICAL!!! I love that show.

I agree that Stern is a prejudice, sexist, disgusting human being. You are preaching to the choir about this issue. I couldn't agree with you more. But isn't Howard Stern allowed to have civil rights and liberties? Aren't we all allowed to have that? I hope so, and you should hope so to, because if they take that away from us, then we will not be able to have message boards like this where you and I can both post our opinions even though they disagree. I don't want that taken away from me. I'm sure you don't either.

Actually you did say it wasn't ok to be sarcastic. Well you said it depends on who is saying it. So I am curious which people it is acceptable from and which people it isn't. Also, I should start a fan club for who? I'm not an Imus fan, in fact I think his show is pretty boring. But I do think you have an excellent suggestion as far as starting a fan club for what I am a fan of and the reason I started this thread. Great idea to start a fan club for the First Amendment. Good thinkin' girl!

May I ask you what it is about me that makes it not okay to be sarcastic? And would you also let me know what the criteria is for sarcasm being ok to say. I'm just curious what points I don't qualify for.

Can you show me where I said He should accept my apology? Didn't I say that if he never forgave me for the rest of his life I would understand? I don't think some of you are quoting me accurately. If I wrote somewhere that he SHOULD accept my apology I certainly didn't mean to because I don't feel that way. But I don't think I did.

I would agree with you that was ignorant if I wasn't being sarcastic. And I don't mean I literally wish I was black. I'm trying to make a point. I'm proud of who I am as I think we should all be. Is being sarcastic ignorant?

Should Steve Harvey get the boot for his ignorance that I'm listening to right now? I don't think he should.

Wow, does this seem like hate speech to anyone? It does me. Oh I know, if you are insulting a white person based on their looks it is ok. My bad. I keep forgetting that. silly me:rolleyes:

Really? Actually I did say I shouldn't have said it. My mom used to call me and my twin her little mexi-mutts when we were little. I'm not an oversensitive crybaby about it though. And I don't think my mom was being mean to us. I also think my mom had a wonderful sense of humor. I'm sure not everyone thought that. It is a matter of opinion. Why do you get to decide what is funny? And actually it was insulting to him. Why do you get to decide what is insulting. When I'm called a half-breed I am not insulted whether it is meant mean or as a joke. YOU would have been embarassed to tell this story, I'm not embarassed by my honesty. But I guess that makes you and I different. I learned a valuable lesson in that what I think is funny doesn't mean everyone else will think it is funny. And I actually think I did pretty much say the comment was ignorant....I may have not said it in YOUR words but I was admitting something I thought I had done wrong. Kind of a lesson learned relating to the topic of this thread. Like I said earlier though..Why do YOU get to decide what is funny? I'm just curious how you got that power. I would like it.

Someone said in an earlier post "what if he would have done this in a doctor's office?" That is rediculous. HE DIDN'T DO IT IN A DOCTOR'S OFFICE. He did it on his radio/tv show where he has been expressing his opinions for 35 years. Like people said earlier, they listened to Howard Stern and decided they didn't like his stuff so they turned him off. That is their freedom. You have every right not to support him if he says something you don't like. MSNBC and CBS would not have fired him if there wasn't the pressure from the groups. GUARANTEED. I am listening to clips on Directv right now of the Steve Harvey radio show. As I type this I am listening to his bit that is making fun of white, southern, rednecks. He is being very stereotypical. A. It's pretty damned funny if you ask me. I'm cracking up. B. Where is the public outcry from Al Sharpton on Steve Harvey's politically incorrect comments? Oh that's right, he's black so he can say whatever he wants. Geez, wish I was black so I could say whatever I wanted to.

You are absolutely right about Al Sharpton not making Imus say what he said. But Al Sharpton will jump on anything he can to get his stupid face on television. And actually Al Sharpton being a race-bating media whore isn't really the issue here. Al Sharpton does not get to decide what people say. Just like we cannot decide what dip-sh-- Sharpton says. But if you had to go through the 35 years worth of Imus shows and the thousands of press conferences that Sharpton has done, who would you say is closer to inciting a race war? I for one think it is Sharpton.

I am absolutely not upset that you called me simple. I think my not giving way to the possibility that he would be offended is simple. Like I said in the story, I felt awful. I do not think that the fact he remained to be upset is wrong. I think the fact that he kept coming over and getting in my face is wrong. If he hates me for the rest of his life and has me cursed on his gravestone I don't think he is wrong. I just said there is nothing else I could do about it and he shouldn't keep the argument going for hours on end. Is there something else I could have possibly done. Once I said it I couldn't take it back. All I could do is apologize. I guess I could have gone to rehab or resigned from my position or killed myself. Obviously those are rediculous suggestions. But what can I do short of not saying it again and apologizing? Trust me, I am called midget, half-breed, told I should stay home and pump out some kids like a good wife, etc........just because I laugh at bieng poked fun at doesn't mean everyone should. I absolutely never said because I was joking and apologized that it was ok. What more do YOU suggest I do? Also, have you ever said anything in your life to someone as a joke and it didn't go over well and you wished you could take it back? I don't know you, but I'm guessing the answer is yes.

I don't think the anti-descrimination law is what you think it is. I think the law you are talking about is a work place protection thing. I could be wrong, certainly wouldn't be the first time. I take this law to be protection of discrimination from your co-workes/boss/etc......people in your company. Yes there is a limit on what to say in the work place as their should be. We are not talking about what was said by some co-workers. Antidiscrimination (EEO) Law Information Personnel actions affecting any term or condition of employment may not be based on an individual's: Race Color National Origin Religion Sex (including pregnancy and childbirth) Age (40 years or more) Disability (physical or mental) Participation in the EEO process Opposition to employment discrimination Hostile Work Environment Discrimination (Harassment) is Prohibited Employees may not be subjected to unwelcome conduct in the course of employment because of their race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, age, or disability. Employees may not be subjected to unwelcome conduct in the course of employment because they have participated in the EEO process or expressed their opposition to employment discrimination. Retaliation is Prohibited Participation in the EEO process, and opposition to discrimination are protected activities, therefore employees subjected to harm in the form of adverse employment practices or decisions or harassment have the right to file complaints of discrimination. Other Personnel Practices Prohibited by the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. § 2302) and Executive Order 11478 In addition to the prohibitions contained in Antidiscrimination (EEO) and Whistleblower Protection Laws, under Merit System Principles, no personnel action in the federal government may be based on an individual's: Marital Status Political Affiliation Sexual Orientation Conduct not adversely affecting job performance Reasonable Accommodation for Disability and for Religion SEC provides reasonable accommodation for employees or applicants with physical or mental disabilities who request it to perform the duties of a position or to participate in the application process. SEC also provides reasonable accommodation for the religious practices and beliefs of employees and applicants. Federal Antidiscrimination Laws and Executive Orders Civil Rights Act of 1964, §717, as amended 42 United States Code 2000e -16 Fair Labor Standards Act, as amended by:Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, 29 United States Code 631,633a Equal Pay Act of 1963, 29 United States Code 206(d) [*]Rehabilitation Act of 1973, § 501 29 United States Code 791 [*]Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, 5 United States Code 2302: Prohibited Personnel Practices [*]Executive Order 11478, as amended

I don't know that I agree with "most" of the hip/hop or rap music being about one's own struggles. I believe there is just as much gangster/kill people/slap your ho/i'm a pimp/f---white people hip/hop/rap as their is personal struggles music. There is really no way to know for sure but I do think people are deciding to focus on one or the other without recognizing the other. I happened to have heard some neo-nazi music as well. There is actually a market for that (in my opinion) crap. Obviously not as big a market as hip/hop (which I personally love).

I don't know this for fact but I think Barbara was talking about the one or two people Ie: Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton being the people that wanted him fired. I agree that there are thousands times more black people that wanted him fired. Same goes with thousands more black people that dont' want him fired. I go back to the free speech/protected speech issue. I know some of you don't think this should fall under protected speech but this is the apitome of protected speech. If somone went on the air and said something 100% of the people enjoyed, why would that speech need protected? Free speech was made for this EXACT speech. Show me in the constitution where it says we are to be protected from getting our feelings hurt? I'm not saying anyone should or should not be offended. I'm just saying ya can't go around telling people what they can and can not say. Or what is right or wrong to say. It is not against the law to hurt someone's feelings. IMO you shouldn't try to hurt people's feelings, but you have the right to.

There are alot of black people who didn't want him fired either. So who is right?

I cannot believe I forgot to tell the story of an incident that happened to me last night. My crew works 12 hour rotating shifts. Once a month after our four day shifts we get 7 days off in a row. Well yesterday happened to be my fourth day shift and a large part of my crew goes to the bar on this day after work to Celebrate. There is a guy who just transferred to my crew 4 months ago who appears to be full Mexican. Accent and all. Well he informed me a few months ago that he was half mexican half german and grew up in Germany. Thinking we had a bit in common being mexi-mutts and also I was born in Germany and lived there until I was 5 I thought we had a little bond and stupidly I assumed he might have a sense of humor. Last night he pushed past me to get by as the bar was overcrowded with drunken gold miners and I said to him jokingly "watch where you are pushing half breed!". I thought he would think this was funny and boy he didnt'. He stopped and turned to me and said I'm a full breed C---!. I said, whoa Eddie I was kidding and I thought you would think it was funny. I apologize and did not mean to offend you." Talk about feeling awful I wish I would have never said it to him. then he called me another colorful name and walked away. I was not mad that he called me those names because A. I called him a name. B. if that is what he feels, who am I to say he can't feel that way. Later on he came up to me and started lambasting me again. I told him I aplogized already and he needed to stop being an overly sensitive crybaby. I said it, I can't take it back, I certainly won't say it again to him in the future, and I definately owed him an apology. Which I gave and gave and he continue to call me names. I must wash my hands of the situation because there is nothing more I can do. And honestly I don't think there is anything else I should do except not do it again. I said it in humor. Be it in his opinion bad humor (although everyone else seemed to think it was funny). I just thought this story was interesting because of what we were talking about.

Yes you were mistaken. I was not really offended at all, but if I was it would have been because of your assuming that I'm not educated. Definately not because you suggested I expand my horizons in any way. In fact I couldn't agree more with that suggestion. I am currently in college part time earning my business degree. Uneducated or not though, I still have an opinion.

You know what? I actually thought both these remarks were HYSTERICAL. Isn't humor a matter of opinion? I 'm an avid listener of a shock jock show called the Opie and Anthony show on XM Radio. They have a producer that had weight loss surgery. They constantly tease this producer about it calling him "old change purse belly" and "garbanzo bean belly". They will say he's grouchy because he ate two spoonfulls of yogurt instead of one spoonful. IT'S SO FUNNY. I guess some people wouldn't find that funny which is okay too. I think humor is like any other feeling like being sad or happy. You cannot control your feelings and I beleive you cannot control what you think is funny. But who am I to say what is funny and what isn't? who are you to say? I think that is the same as you telling me what constitutes a happy feeling for myself.

I hope your list of male priveleges included peeing standing up. I mean, why do they get to have all the conveniences??? AM I RIGHT LADIES????