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It's a valid fear when you look at the statistics. However keep in mind not a single person who has gone through WLS since it was originally invented, failed unless they simply ate too much.
Probably most of us got to an unhealthy weight becuase we drew off of our childhood eating habits, aggravated by today's corporate food pushing culture. We were never really taught how to eat well, over an extended period of time.
We have now been given an opportunity to begin again, and much like everone on here can probably learn any new skill for a job or hobby, we have to use this opportunity to learn new eating skills. After that, it's just a matter of being an expert at your own nutrition.
People learn new skills all the time. Kind of like "don't put your hand in a hot stove". It's up to each of us to learn, the just follow through. Hopefully if we keep this in mind, we won't be mere statistics.
luck!

The next time he says that, tell him"well there are a lot of men who are". Idiot.

Put some salt in a G Zero.

Great! Now all you need to do is lose that jerk PCP and you're home free.

As soon as you want to start gaining weight.

Buy frozen, don't try to freeze it yourself. Commercial flash freezing is a complete different process, which creates smaller ice crystals that do not break the cell membranes. I.e. The fish, vegetables, etc. are more crisp.
That said, my meal for our family last night: I rough cut 2 large onion and sweated with garlic in a frying pan with a bit of EVOO and small amount of Water. Meanwhile thawed out 4 pieces of frozen cod in warm water (in plastic) then lightly EVOO, then salt, pepper, and lemon citrus seasoning (both side).
Took out a ceramic baking dish, put the onions on the bottom, then laid fish on top. Took small can of chopped tomatoes and mixed in about 10 olives I chopped. Sprinkled some capers on top. Baked for 45 minutes.
grabbed a bag of steam fresh broccli and cauliflower.
Glorious fish, that did not taste fishy at all.
I should have been doing stuff like is 10 years ago.

Buy frozen, don't try to freeze it yourself. Commercial flash freezing is a complete different process, which creates smaller ice crystals that do not break the cell membranes. I.e. The fish, vegetables, etc. are more crisp.
That said, my meal for our family last night: I rough cut 2 large onion and sweated with garlic in a frying pan with a bit of EVOO and small amount of Water. Meanwhile thawed out 4 pieces of frozen cod in warm water (in plastic) then lightly EVOO, then salt, pepper, and lemon citrus seasoning (both side).
Took out a ceramic baking dish, put the onions on the bottom, then laid fish on top. Took small can of chopped tomatoes and mixed in about 10 olives I chopped. Sprinkled some capers on top. Baked for 45 minutes.
grabbed a bag of steam fresh broccli and cauliflower.
Glorious fish, that did not taste fishy at all.
I should have been doing stuff like is 10 years ago.

I am not a phyciatrist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one time, and my diagnosis is, mother or not, she's a nut job. Stay away from her so you don't catch whatever mental ailment she has.
people seem to forget that mental illness comes in many forms, and you can never really figure it out, because they think differently than you do. I have family in the medical field and there is one thing that they all know: you can't fix mental illness. You can treat some symptoms, but you can't fix it.
you should perhaps think of your mother from that perspective. She just seems to be different, and you don't know why, but you can't fix it. Otherwise you will get wound up trying to rationalize it by thinking she is normal, and there is something wrong with you.
You know this is probably true, by the story of her life you have posted. If you said that your mother made those comments from her office where she is a manager of some company, or a lawyer, or Doctor then you should worry about her commentary, but from where I'm sitting, you should just shrug it off as the babbling of a troubled person.
Luck!

yeah, that sounds like a really good idea. Eat garbage till you puke.

I am not a phyciatrist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one time, and my diagnosis is, mother or not, she's a nut job. Stay away from her so you don't catch whatever mental ailment she has.
people seem to forget that mental illness comes in many forms, and you can never really figure it out, because they think differently than you do. I have family in the medical field and there is one thing that they all know: you can't fix mental illness. You can treat some symptoms, but you can't fix it.
you should perhaps think of your mother from that perspective. She just seems to be different, and you don't know why, but you can't fix it. Otherwise you will get wound up trying to rationalize it by thinking she is normal, and there is something wrong with you.
You know this is probably true, by the story of her life you have posted. If you said that your mother made those comments from her office where she is a manager of some company, or a lawyer, or Doctor then you should worry about her commentary, but from where I'm sitting, you should just shrug it off as the babbling of a troubled person.
Luck!

I am not a phyciatrist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one time, and my diagnosis is, mother or not, she's a nut job. Stay away from her so you don't catch whatever mental ailment she has.
people seem to forget that mental illness comes in many forms, and you can never really figure it out, because they think differently than you do. I have family in the medical field and there is one thing that they all know: you can't fix mental illness. You can treat some symptoms, but you can't fix it.
you should perhaps think of your mother from that perspective. She just seems to be different, and you don't know why, but you can't fix it. Otherwise you will get wound up trying to rationalize it by thinking she is normal, and there is something wrong with you.
You know this is probably true, by the story of her life you have posted. If you said that your mother made those comments from her office where she is a manager of some company, or a lawyer, or Doctor then you should worry about her commentary, but from where I'm sitting, you should just shrug it off as the babbling of a troubled person.
Luck!

Ok, I'm done. This was meant as a way to help some people stay on their calorie count so they could lose weight. Now we are on the Mediterranean maintenance diet on how fish is better for diabetes.
I will end with this: many Asian cultures diets consist almost entirely of rice. Virtually all Asian cultures are fit and trim, but alas, there are also sumo wrestlers who instead eat primarily fish, vegetables, meat and tofu.
It's how much you eat, not what, and for those of us on the WLS path, keep that in mind. For the maintenance and after life, that's a completely different issue.
bad science makes for bad results when people are trying to gain knowledge. Calories per food were developed for the sole purpose of learning how much energy humans can draw from each different food. It's really pretty simple, and shouldn't be confused just because one food group has other side effects. Calories first, then which calories. Not the other way around, other than to help people maintain a count.
over and out.

I too have seen a dramatic drop in BP already, and I am absolutely pro anything that helps people reach their goal. The whole idea of this thread is to dispel voodoo and fake science theories as to why people fail at losing weight (whether they have had WLS or not).
for WLS patients who are holding to 600-1000 calories per day, it makes virtually no difference if the eat carbs or protien, other than the fact that protien has a tendency to be more firm in nature (think chicken vs mashed potatoes" . That density stays in your pouch longer (don't drink while eating) and burns 25% in conversion. Carbs on the other hand spike insulin which makes you hungry,
but again, even if you do get an insulin spike, you have to fight through it and maintain your daily calorie goal.
calories in, expenditure out is the sole determining energy and storage factor in all creatures big and small on our planet, and people would be better served by not believing that some other "force" is causing them to gain weight.
i am large, because I choose to eat too much. It's as simple as that.
Best of luck!

I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. We are all being advised to eat a maximum protein diet at this time, because we a)need to avoid the loss of muscle mass and b) we are burning the carbohydrates and fat that we have previously consumed (in mass amounts) which is currently stored in our bodies as fat.
people need to stop confusing weight loss with "health benefit" during the short time we are all in the weight loss mode. If we all quit making excuses, we all have a better chance of being successful.
Then when we have burned off our carbohydrate induced body fat, we can build individual diets for ourselves based on our own circumstances, activity levels and goals. But we really need to get over the "excuse" that somehow some of us are perpetual motion machines. It is harmful to our success, especially those who are confused or struggling .

I too have seen a dramatic drop in BP already, and I am absolutely pro anything that helps people reach their goal. The whole idea of this thread is to dispel voodoo and fake science theories as to why people fail at losing weight (whether they have had WLS or not).
for WLS patients who are holding to 600-1000 calories per day, it makes virtually no difference if the eat carbs or protien, other than the fact that protien has a tendency to be more firm in nature (think chicken vs mashed potatoes" . That density stays in your pouch longer (don't drink while eating) and burns 25% in conversion. Carbs on the other hand spike insulin which makes you hungry,
but again, even if you do get an insulin spike, you have to fight through it and maintain your daily calorie goal.
calories in, expenditure out is the sole determining energy and storage factor in all creatures big and small on our planet, and people would be better served by not believing that some other "force" is causing them to gain weight.
i am large, because I choose to eat too much. It's as simple as that.
Best of luck!

I was advised to drink 2 per day for 3 months.

Ok, I'm done. This was meant as a way to help some people stay on their calorie count so they could lose weight. Now we are on the Mediterranean maintenance diet on how fish is better for diabetes.
I will end with this: many Asian cultures diets consist almost entirely of rice. Virtually all Asian cultures are fit and trim, but alas, there are also sumo wrestlers who instead eat primarily fish, vegetables, meat and tofu.
It's how much you eat, not what, and for those of us on the WLS path, keep that in mind. For the maintenance and after life, that's a completely different issue.
bad science makes for bad results when people are trying to gain knowledge. Calories per food were developed for the sole purpose of learning how much energy humans can draw from each different food. It's really pretty simple, and shouldn't be confused just because one food group has other side effects. Calories first, then which calories. Not the other way around, other than to help people maintain a count.
over and out.

I too have seen a dramatic drop in BP already, and I am absolutely pro anything that helps people reach their goal. The whole idea of this thread is to dispel voodoo and fake science theories as to why people fail at losing weight (whether they have had WLS or not).
for WLS patients who are holding to 600-1000 calories per day, it makes virtually no difference if the eat carbs or protien, other than the fact that protien has a tendency to be more firm in nature (think chicken vs mashed potatoes" . That density stays in your pouch longer (don't drink while eating) and burns 25% in conversion. Carbs on the other hand spike insulin which makes you hungry,
but again, even if you do get an insulin spike, you have to fight through it and maintain your daily calorie goal.
calories in, expenditure out is the sole determining energy and storage factor in all creatures big and small on our planet, and people would be better served by not believing that some other "force" is causing them to gain weight.
i am large, because I choose to eat too much. It's as simple as that.
Best of luck!

While calories are just calories, there is a conversion burn difference between protiens and carbs/sugars. 25% of the protien you consume will be burned off converting it to an energy source we can metabolize, while only 7% or carbs/sugars will be lost in the conversion process. But quite honestly, for someone on a 800 calorie a day Bariatric weight loss diet, the maximum difference between those two sources is only 144 calories of "extra" per day. So that means if you eat 800 calories of pure sugar per day, vs pure Protein, you will conceivably lose 144/3500= .041 less conversion burn loss per day. That's a maximum 4% of one lb, difference, which is 4/10 of one oz.
However If you were to eat pure carbs or sugar you would spike your insulin resulting in a sugar high "endorphins,etc.." plus it will make you want to eat more, but again that has absolutely nothing to do with calories in vs expenditures out.
People do not fail at this because they encounter an 18% conversion rate difference on carbs vs protien. They fail because they eat too much or all types of food, and quite possibly they do so, because they don't understand the basics of nutrition.

I'm sorry, but that is incorrect. We are all being advised to eat a maximum protein diet at this time, because we a)need to avoid the loss of muscle mass and b) we are burning the carbohydrates and fat that we have previously consumed (in mass amounts) which is currently stored in our bodies as fat.
people need to stop confusing weight loss with "health benefit" during the short time we are all in the weight loss mode. If we all quit making excuses, we all have a better chance of being successful.
Then when we have burned off our carbohydrate induced body fat, we can build individual diets for ourselves based on our own circumstances, activity levels and goals. But we really need to get over the "excuse" that somehow some of us are perpetual motion machines. It is harmful to our success, especially those who are confused or struggling .

This is a really good review by the National Institue of Health, that surprises the heck out of me. With all the "fad" weight loss theories our there, they have concluded that over the long term for weight loss, it make absolutely no difference where you get your calories from. Ie. You could be primarily carbo based, fat based or Protein based, and it doesn't matter. It is just calories. Period.
Quite surprising given the plethora or supposed good advise out there, but it goes right back to pure math. Calories in, expenditure out. Everything else in pure Voodoo.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357

Fluff - if you don't mind, could you post your list ?

Last night I ate an apple, which was really the first sweet/sugar based thing I have eaten in the 4 weeks since sleeve. It immediately made me "head hungry" for carbs and sugar. That's the first time it has happened since surgery, and I must admit it was a strong urge.
I calmed it down with a piece of turkey wrapped around a pickle spear (figure out the calories in that!). Wow, that's the last Apple I'm going to eat for a while.

I I think you may have misunderstood the "no Water with food rule" . It means don't drink while you are eating. You should stop all water intake 1/2 hour before eating, and don't drink again until at least 1/2 hour after. I have been holding off for an hour after.
that process allows the food to stay in your pouch and make you feel full for a longer period of time. Once you get on soft and solid foods you will get the idea.
best of luck!

Sorry for all your complications, but on a positive note it sounds like it was fortuitous that you went in for surgery, as they found a serious problem and fixed it.
your intestines grumbling are a good sign, as that is what determines you can go home from the hospital after surgery. It means everything is working.
i also had a screwed up throat after, primarily due to the tube and camera that were down my throat during surgery. I lived on cough drops for 3 days after.
i don't quite understand your Water issue. You first state that you were told to drink water, and then state that you are on a no water rule? What givens with that? Water is your friend, and you should be taking in more than 64oz per day unless you have some very bizarre orders that I have never heard of.
keep the faith !