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[GreenTealael 24,905]

Woke up ready to make a drink that required Torani sugar free Syrup , don't know why but I remembered it having sucralose. wrong. Acesulfame potassium. tossed it. Chose Starbucks Sugar Free Syrup instead which does have sucralose, but then started to wonder about all artificial sweeteners, again. Sigh.

Slippery slope. Tossing them all.

Just a small amount of info below (a video that references research and journals, and a journal reviewing research) for anyone who would like it and if you conduct any research, please add it for others to see. And by all means add info to the contrary if you find that also.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3772345/?source=purehealth

Edited September 20, 2018 by GreenTealael

[FluffyChix 17,410]

[Leia 75]

Uurg, well that kinda kills my dependence on Premier Protein shakes. They have been the only reason I'm getting to or close to my Protein goals so far.

I dont like how sweet they are anyway, but its so hard to find shakes that don't have artificial sweeteners.

On the other hand, I have IBS, and chronic inflammation...and if getting completely off this stuff would help clear that up, I've got to try.

[GreenTealael 24,905]

4 minutes ago, Leia said:

Uurg, well that kinda kills my dependence on Premier Protein shakes. They have been the only reason I'm getting to or close to my Protein goals so far.

I dont like how sweet they are anyway, but its so hard to find shakes that don't have artificial sweeteners.

On the other hand, I have IBS, and chronic inflammation...and if getting completely off this stuff would help clear that up, I've got to try.

Sigh...

Can'tavoid it all, I posted this so we in the WLS community can be mindful and vigilant because almost ALL of our products are artificially sweetened. Some have natural sugar substitute but those are not as widespread.

I'm just going to use bare minimum like premier shakes but not flavored syrups 😖 , etc. Just the stuff I can't get around...

[Leia 75]

We're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place huh? I just cant figure how to get 60g a Protein in by the end of the day with out one of the shakes. Eventually, fingers crossed, that will change.
I wish Nugo Slim made a shake like their bars. ...or that Premier Protein could just leave the sweetener at that 1g of natural sugar.
I want all the healthy gut flora, dang it!

[GreenTealael 24,905]

6 minutes ago, Leia said:

We're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place huh? I just cant figure how to get 60g a Protein in by the end of the day with out one of the shakes. Eventually, fingers crossed, that will change.
I wish Nugo Slim made a shake like their bars. ...or that Premier Protein could just leave the sweetener at that 1g of natural sugar.
I want all the healthy gut flora, dang it!

I'm going to try to get more sauerkraut, kimchi, kombucha and Probiotics in to balance it out ...

[James Marusek 5,244]

Most artificial sweeteners and zero calorie natural sweeteners (Stevia) are fine to take. Almost all the negatives are just hype. Sugars are what needs to be avoided.

Sugar Substitutes

[Leia 75]

14 minutes ago, GreenTealael said:

I'm going to try to get more sauerkraut, kimchi, kombucha and Probiotics in to balance it out ...

My Nut has told me not to have any carbonated (natural or not) drinks...and I really miss Kombucha! I love sauerkraut though... I don't think I've ever tried Kimchi. I might do some research, thanks for the ideas!

[GreenTealael 24,905]

2 minutes ago, Leia said:

My Nut has told me not to have any carbonated (natural or not) drinks...and I really miss Kombucha! I love sauerkraut though... I don't think I've ever tried Kimchi. I might do some research, thanks for the ideas!

I forgot about that! There's got to be some non carbonated kombucha out there

[Leia 75]

26 minutes ago, GreenTealael said:

I forgot about that! There's got to be some non carbonated kombucha out there

Ooo! I hope so, if you find some let me know! I'll keep a look out too

[Orchids&Dragons 9,047]

2 hours ago, Leia said:

We're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place huh? I just cant figure how to get 60g a Protein in by the end of the day with out one of the shakes. Eventually, fingers crossed, that will change.
I wish Nugo Slim made a shake like their bars. ...or that Premier Protein could just leave the sweetener at that 1g of natural sugar.
I want all the healthy gut flora, dang it!

If you make a shake with 8 oz Fairlife milk (13g protein) and 1 scoop unflavored Protein Powder (20-30g protein) add some fruit and stevia, you'd be in good shape. Can you handle stevia?

[hope2 35]

I avoid artificial sweeteners. I do get my Protein in with GENEPRO in my coffee and with eggs, chicken, etc.

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[allwet 868]

9 hours ago, James Marusek said:

Most artificial sweeteners and zero calorie natural sweeteners (Stevia) are fine to take. Almost all the negatives are just hype. Sugars are what needs to be avoided.

Sugar Substitutes

I wish i could agree with such a blanket statement but alas no i can't. Anytime you make a blanket statement about health and think it will apply to all you are starting from wrong and getting worse.

I avoid sugar to control Insulin, not blood sugar, some fake sugars while they show no spike in blood sugar have been proven to spike your insulin without the increase in blood sugar. When you spike insulin you block fat burning.

We relate blood sugar to insulin cause it is an easy test but they are not the same thing.

when you taste sweet your brain sends signals and you release insulin in anticipation of incoming sugar even if it just fake sweet.

all that being said i dont avoid all fake sugar i just want to understand what it does, everything does something, inside me.

With knowledge comes power (joke reference here)

don't live in fear of it all but do understand what it does and ask yourself if you want to pay that price.

[BajanSleeve 244]

I had to research this because I am a type II diabetic so I have also done all the research. I was a diet coke addict for SO many years. I also had developed insulin resistance on top of diabetes.

I came off of artificial sweeteners but I use Stevia now. Praying and hoping they don't come along with something negative about Stevia.

[FluffyChix 17,410]

liquid stevia appears in some studies to improve blood glucose control and maybe insulin sensitivity, I think? It's mainly the sweetener I use. If I occasionally have saccharine from Sweet n Low in iced tea when out at a restaurant, I don't sweat it. If I have a tiny bit of sucralose (aka Splenda) in a little Premier Protein, I'm not gonna sweat it. If I use a tiny bit of Swerve or something in low carb baking, meh, nobody's dyin' that day. By and large, the dose makes the poison and most of this stuff IS dose dependent.

I will never be able to handle the stress that comes with being a dietary purist. The most I will shoot for is being a semi-aware/cognizant mid-hedonist who follows a pretty damned healthy diet 90-95% of the time and the other 5% of the time tries as much as possible to keep doses at the lowest tolerable for me.

I'm not worried about the woman who drinks one Diet Coke a day. She'll live. She probably won't go on to develop diabetes...I'm more worried about the kid who downs 4-5 cokes a day, eats crap and packaged food, whose mom puts him on a diet of MORE packaged food and artificial sweeteners. Who cumulatively eats a crap ton of AS and other crap thinking he'll loose weight and instead is disrupting his metabolism and hormonal system and gut/brain axis, perhaps irrevocably--setting him up for big time
Billy Badass probs as an adult.

I think @Orchids&Dragons suggestion/solution for a Protein Drink sounds FABULOUS and so smart!!! Add some fresh spinach in there and blend the hell out of it and yummy!

Edited September 21, 2018 by FluffyChix