So it's very obvious the new newbies want nothing to do with hearing what successful WLS patients have to say. The recent debate over the the eating bacon 1 week postop makes it perfectly clear that what they want is for someone to tell them it's OK to be stupid. They are not interested in listening to their surgeons or nuts or veterans. Self sabotage is the new fad and compliance is apparently out of style. I made the mistake of responding to the post when, as a veteran, I should have known better. Turns out I'm just a big meanie (no surprise there!) At this point it's 95% newbies posting on that thread who don't have a clue what the long term repercussions of eating off plan so soon will lead to. The blind leading the blind.

Oh well. It will be interesting to see the stats of successful EWL go down over the next few years as more and more unprepared, uncommitted people continue to have WLS. In the meantime, I'm outa here. The newbies won. As hard as it is to tear my eyes away from the car wreck, I just can't take anymore people that do stupid shit and then whine about getting their feelings hurt. Someone PM me when the grown ups start joining again.

I absolutely respect your choice. I am sorry to see a vet go. You guys have been such a valuable resource for me over the past nine months. I estimate I have about 25 or so pounds left to lose, so I am fast approaching maintenance. I'm going to need you vets more than ever when I get there. You guys are amazing and such an inspiration to me. The majority of my attention on this site goes to reading the vets forum. I really look forward to being able to post there in three months. One year is how a vet is defined, right?

I'm interested in hearing and learning from you vets!

I knew it! Bacon is evil.

No, seriously.. Why is everyone getting so upset over bacon?? You can advice someone but you can't make them do things that they want to. If she ate the bacon, you advised her not to. Whether she takes that advice and benefits from it or chooses to ignore it and suffer, it's her choice.

Neither of you should take things personally. You are not obliged to change anyone's lifestyle.

English is my 6th language so forgive me if my sentences don't make any sense at times!

Sometimes you grow out of things and move on to new adventures. It's natural. Most go without fanfare, others need to do the goodbye and this is why post.

Don't let comments on the internet get to you. Being called a bully by someone you will never meet is worthless.

Now I need some bacon.

Oh did anyone else have a major stall at 3 weeks?

I kid. I kid. Lol

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I haven't had surgery yet . I come here to read posts and get info...especially from the vets. I plan on following my teams advice 110%! I don't understand why one wouldn't! After all we ended up having surgery because our way wasn't working. So why would ppl think their way would work after surgery. I thank all the vets for their wisdom and guidance!

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I plan on following my teams advice 110%! I don't understand why one wouldn't!

Because there are so many different plans out there. Some information even seem to contradict each other. It starts with pre-op diet, continues with post-op diet and the follow-up intervals and the long-term diet one is supposed to follow etc.

It's natural people start asking themselves: "Is my team right? Is your team right? Or the team of another patient? In the end what is really the best strategy?"

For me it would be surprising if there wouldn't be questions about all of it. Patients want the best strategy out there for themselves (absolutely normal) but in the end you don't know if your surgical team offers the best strategy that is available.

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ETA: no, I'm not talking about that there might be a team out there that encourages bacon, steak and pizza one week post-op.

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I plan on following my teams advice 110%! I don't understand why one wouldn't!

Because there are so many different plans out there. Some information even seem to contradict each other. It starts with pre-op diet, continues with post-op diet and the follow-up intervals and the long-term diet one is supposed to follow etc.

It's natural people start asking themselves: "Is my team right? Is your team right? Or the team of another patient? In the end what is really the best strategy?"

For me it would be surprising if there wouldn't be questions about all of it. Patients want the best strategy out there for themselves (absolutely normal) but in the end you don't know if your surgical team offers the best strategy that is available.

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ETA: no, I'm not talking about that there might be a team out there that encourages bacon, steak and pizza one week post-op.

In less than a month that I've been a member of this group, I have already noticed some major differences in the requirements Frein surgical teams. For example, my surgeon does not require a pre-op diet at all. But there is another surgeon in his office that does. There are some surgeons that require a post-op atkins diet for life while others will allow the patient to eventually incorporate carbs. I had to meet a NUT last week that wasn't my regular NUT, due to a scheduling issue and I noticed that both NUTs, even though they are from the same office/team, they both had very different ideas and expectations. My NUT pushed Protein powders and bars. The other NUT was against those and only wanted patients to get protein from food sources.

@allsmilez: This!

And now how to decide what's best for you? It all comes down to trial and error in the end (within sensible boundaries).

I am pre op... I read some of the posts on here and think to myself are they kidding? I think people do little to no research then dive right in and low and behold they screw up... I have been researching and learning about others experiences for well over twelve months so I am fully prepared for what I can expect, in fact my surgeon was surprised that I asked about dumping and Vitamins, meal plans for the future and the best ways to get Protein in during the early days etc.. He said wow most people have no idea and just want a surgery date... That drives me insane!!

I can totally understand that vets must feel like they are repeating them selves every day - no h can't and shouldn't eat bacon, no u can't and shouldn't be eating bread on day three... Sigh....

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Yes, I also did two years of planning and research. All of my meal plans, Protein, Vitamins etc are of no use as my body can't tolerate any of it right now. All my pre op planning meant nothing. I spend a fortune on taxis everywhere, needs while in hospital, trying all different foods, liquids etc and having to have everything delivered. I have been housebound now since May. Research and planning doesn't always mean success.

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Ok let's drama down a notch ....or two.

Good suggestion.

I remember a thread in which vets complained about newbies being "so overly sensitive". Some vets seem to be quite sensitive and easily offended, too, as I have noticed during the last weeks.

Sensitive? Nope.

Gun shy? Tired of getting called names or accused of being bullies? Yes.

Fed up with people coddling others in ways that could be seriously detrimental to their health and their weight loss? Absolutely.

Of course, I am only speaking for me.

And I'll add it's not only the Vets who are sick of the people crying "bully" or only wanting to be coddled - I'm pre-op and it's pissing me off. I'm not sensitive - I'm annoyed! It's more than just a weight loss/success concern that we have when someone goes so far off plan - it's a health concern - you can cause significant and life threatening complications! Would you coddle an alcoholic who had a drink 5 days post-op a liver transplant because they were "thirsty"???!!!! I am pre-op and have already cut back on my time on this forum. If the vets don't feel comfortable speaking up - why the hell would I even bother to stick around at all.

When people get their knickers in a twist I always think "hey, it's the Internet folks, what did you expect!" It can wear you down though, so take a little BP vacay for a couple weeks and come back when well rested. It's all good.

"hey, it's the Internet folks, what did you expect!"

The usual high school playground with all the usual characters present of course.

Yes, I also did two years of planning and research. All of my meal plans, Protein, Vitamins etc are of no use as my body can't tolerate any of it right now. All my pre op planning meant nothing. I spend a fortune on taxis everywhere, needs while in hospital, trying all different foods, liquids etc and having to have everything delivered. I have been housebound now since May. Research and planning doesn't always mean success.

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Is your story posted somewhere - sounds like you have been through alot!

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I have been posting about how bad things have been hoping someone could give me hope of recovery. I have now been awake 72 hours with leg pain. I have very poor mobility and everytime I drop to sleep my blood just seems to stop flowing into my legs. I have to stand up to stop the pain but can't stand up 24/7.

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