Progressing Post Op Diet Early

[☠carolinagirl☠ 18,722]

FYI; in Europe they are requiring food show cals and fat content on the front of the food wrapper (you may notice we are now seeing this in the US as well). Well the makers of Nutella were fighting this because there statistics are soooooo baddddd.

Post op I did exceptionally well. I had no gas pains, only used liquid Tylenol for pain, and was back as the gym on day 4. On day 10 I was back for post up follow up. I was sooooo hungry. At that point I was on full liquids (tomato Soup consistancy). I ask the nurse if I could move to soft mushies. Her answer? "Absolutley NOT!"

does it taste like Peanut Butter? or apple butter?

[Maddysgram 6,159]

Easier said than done!! Why have the lap band if you have the will power to follow dr orders to the t. In sure your pcp spoke to you regarding your weight and a change in your diet. Comments like these that blow my mind' date=' ppl so judge mental. Were are all adults and do what we please.

Btw weightloss via lap band is through restriction!!! Not satiety. Pouch is a certain size and only a certain amount of food fits!![/quote']

I've lost 100 lbs twice and 100's of lbs at 20 here, 40 there, over 40yrs. I have no problem taking weight off, its keeping it off and I'm hoping LBS will finally fix that.

I'm not banded yet Oct 15, but I've been following LB rules and have already lost 32 lbs to date.

I wish you a good day!

[Summerrain 520]

Mmmmmm Nutella, it's so deliciously wicked, I'm drooling just thinking about it, lol. Nutella is a chocolate hazelnut spread and so damn good.

[☠carolinagirl☠ 18,722]

I've lost 100 lbs twice and 100's of lbs at 20 here, 40 there, over 40yrs. I have no problem taking weight off, its keeping it off and I'm hoping LBS will finally fix that.

I'm not banded yet Oct 15, but I've been following LB rules and have already lost 32 lbs to date.

I wish you a good day!

good day to you also CB

[Maddysgram 6,159]

good day to you also CB

And to you PPSPB!

[dee257 1,516]

Please dont get upset with any one voicing their opion on here....but I do remember when I was the newbie....and i took to heart what people said about fallowing the rules....and I so wanted to eat mushies before my dr said so...All I could think of was gawd dee why couldnt you just eat right with out having to go to this extream....and I remember seeing peoples post on here saying they started early....I was to scared to ruin my band so I called my doctor and talked to her about it and she felt I could start mushies....But I can so relate to newbies reading here and thinking well if that one did it and yes as a newbie we dont have as much will power as we do with a lil restriction....just saying....we all need all the help we can get....

[lousianalady 44]

Ty Mis73! No one explained that to me. My choice to get banded was made when i met 2 young ladies in Cato giggling over how much weight they lost and what clothes fit. I didn't take the time to research just ran down and did it.

I thought the band restricted me from over eating. I had no idea and knowing this will help me. I think if newbies were taught more by the doc or we even researched it would be better. My doc gave me no instructions.. Just Clear Liquids . And then when he said i can have coffee Jello etc i said "that's not Clear Liquids " he said it is...

[Summerrain 520]

You are 100% wrong. The band actually regulates the hormone that causes hunger' date=' the small pouch above it tricks your body into thinking it's no longer physically hungry when in the past it would be. Don't be fooled into thinking the band is going to stop you from eating anything. That is not it's job. There's a reason so many people continue to over eat and learn how to eat around the band- because the band was never meant to physically stop you from eating.

Dr. Simpson is one of the pioneers and leading experts in Lap Band. He explains it here:

http://drsimpson.net...estriction.html

"When talking about the band, some patients talk about restriction. Let's first be clear about one thing: the purpose of the band is not restriction; the purpose of the band is to lose weight by suppressing the appetite.

When band professionals talk about restriction we are talking about something totally different than "restricting what a person eats." In fact, many band surgeons avoid talking about restriction so as to not confuse patients. The band works by dimming the appetite, and this provides a conscious control and decision made by the patient, it does not work by "making" a person do something, or keep them from eating too much.

The Lap-band works by suppressing your appetite

As a result, you are less interested in food between meals, making it easier to resist temptation. The analogy is when you are near a vending machine when you are hungry-- what do you do? Probably find yourself with some junk food that is not a part of your plan. But, when you pass a vending machine when you are full, it may not even catch your eye. Having the appetite dimmed makes you less tempted by the many food choices modern living throws at you - -this is what the band does, by suppressing appetite you become less interested in food.

What you should not feel, with the band, is the sensation of being "stuffed."

When you eat Thanksgiving dinner, you can feel stuffed. Contrast that with the sensation two hours after you eat your big meal, at that point your appetite is suppressed. It is the subtle dimming of the appetite that the band should provide. Being stuffed after a large meal is a complicated sensation of the abdominal wall stretching and a lot of gas in the bowel, in addition to feeling a diminution of appetite. You will not, and should not, feel the abdominal wall stretch with the band. You should not feel the "near nausea" and you should not feel bloated.

Key point:

You should NEVER eat until you feel full. It is best to stop eating before you "feel full." If you do eat until you feel full you will most likely be overstuffed. This leads to the universal key to success -- patients who eat a small volume of food (which, if you measure, is consistent) will be successful with the band. If you want to succeed, you need to know how much you are eating, and then stop eating -- it is in your control, but the band will help you -- not by stopping you, but by allowing you to feel satisfied after the small volume."

Ok mis73 you have me scratching my head on the hormone thing. Please know I'm not picking on you I'm genuinely confused about the hormone statement as this is the first I have heard about the band regulating hunger hormones.

This is my understanding of how the band works.

We are given fills to give us the right amount of restriction where the band is placed over the nerves at the top of our stomachs ( cant remember the medical term) that send signals to our brain to say that we are no longer hungry. If we follow the band rules and eat the right textured foods that are squeezed past the band then those nerves are constantly sending messages to the brain to say hey down there you are no longer hungry, time to put that food away and this happens around the twenty minute mark and that's why we are also told to stop eating at twenty minutes. Now if we eat our Protein first as instructed it takes the body longer to digest so you shouldn't be hungry till at least four or five hours later (also we know all the other reasons why Protein first so I'm not going to go into that). Now the pouch you are referring to will safely hold no more than one or two tablespoons if food at a time. If we take a bite of food, chew it properly then swallow it should take your esophagus muscles a minute or two to squeeze the food past the band. After twenty minutes or less with some people they get the message that they are no longer hungry (satiety). If we stop eating as soon as we get that signal then you won't be full but you will be sated. If we continue to eat then we will get that revolting bloated over full feeling that we were accustomed to prior to banding.

When we have the right amount if restriction that works by squeezing those nerves at the top of your stomach constantly and sending the messages to your brain to say we are not hungry. Once we loose that restriction this process isn't working efficiently and that's why we get top up fills.

Professor Paul O'Brien has a very informative film on you tube explaining how it all works with a cut away of the esophagus and stomach to show how the band works. Other doctors probably have similar videos too if you search you tube.

Mis73 what you posted from that doctor is everything that has been explained to me. Nothing has ever been mentioned about hunger hormones and that us the part that us confusing me.

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Ty Mis73! No one explained that to me. My choice to get banded was made when i met 2 young ladies in Cato giggling over how much weight they lost and what clothes fit. I didn't take the time to research just ran down and did it.

I thought the band restricted me from over eating. I had no idea and knowing this will help me. I think if newbies were taught more by the doc or we even researched it would be better. My doc gave me no instructions.. Just clear liquids . And then when he said i can have coffee Jello etc i said "that's not clear liquids " he said it is...

You're most welcome! I agree, a lot more doctors need to spend time really explaining what "restriction" means and what the band is meant to do. In the almost 9 months I've been on these forums, I can't tell you how many stories I've read of people having slips from bands too tight for months- because they're expecting the band to restrict what they eat and stop them from eating. It's true, if your band is tight enough it will prevent you from eating, but that is very dangerous. Ironically, those people often end up gaining weight because all they can eat are slider foods.

I actually just had a little removed from my band yesterday. I had a 1cc fill on Tuesday and by yesterday I was still struggling to eat anything other than Soup and Protein shakes. I knew that was no good, and knowing the risks of a band too tight I went and had .3cc removed. It's actually rather amazing how such a small amount of Fluid can effect your band but it can and does. Now, I'm back to eating normal yet totally satisfied with a little food for long time periods.

Best wishes to you

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Ok mis73 you have me scratching my head on the hormone thing. Please know I'm not picking on you I'm genuinely confused about the hormone statement as this is the first I have heard about the band regulating hunger hormones.

This is my understanding of how the band works.

We are given fills to give us the right amount of restriction where the band is placed over the nerves at the top of our stomachs ( cant remember the medical term) that send signals to our brain to say that we are no longer hungry. If we follow the band rules and eat the right textured foods that are squeezed past the band then those nerves are constantly sending messages to the brain to say hey down there you are no longer hungry, time to put that food away and this happens around the twenty minute mark and that's why we are also told to stop eating at twenty minutes. Now if we eat our Protein first as instructed it takes the body longer to digest so you shouldn't be hungry till at least four or five hours later (also we know all the other reasons why Protein first so I'm not going to go into that). Now the pouch you are referring to will safely hold no more than one or two tablespoons if food at a time. If we take a bite of food, chew it properly then swallow it should take your esophagus muscles a minute or two to squeeze the food past the band. After twenty minutes or less with some people they get the message that they are no longer hungry (satiety). If we stop eating as soon as we get that signal then you won't be full but you will be sated. If we continue to eat then we will get that revolting bloated over full feeling that we were accustomed to prior to banding.

When we have the right amount if restriction that works by squeezing those nerves at the top of your stomach constantly and sending the messages to your brain to say we are not hungry. Once we loose that restriction this process isn't working efficiently and that's why we get top up fills.

Professor Paul O'Brien has a very informative film on you tube explaining how it all works with a cut away of the esophagus and stomach to show how the band works. Other doctors probably have similar videos too if you search you tube.

Mis73 what you posted from that doctor is everything that has been explained to me. Nothing has ever been mentioned about hunger hormones and that us the part that us confusing me.

The hormone that causes hunger is called Ghrelin. It is produced by the stomach, specifically the top outer portion. It increases before meals and decreases after meals. Because of where the band is placed, it lessens this hormone production thus creating less hunger signals to the brain. Essentially, people who opt for the Sleeve have that portion of their stomach removed entirely.

Here's a Wiki article on Ghrelin if you want to read about it more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghrelin

Mind you, suppressing that hormone is only part of what the band does. You are correct that by squeezing around the stomach and food rubbing through it, it also plays a part in hunger satiation. It tricks your brain into thinking "Oh I've had tons of food, I'm not hungry".

It's amazing how complicated and complex a little band really is

[Summerrain 520]

Ok I'll read that about the hormones and yes the band is an amazing little tool that does some wonderful things if we use it right.

Well I can stop scratching my head. I've learnt something new. Had never heard of this hormone before.

[wallflower 188]

does it taste like Peanut Butter? or apple butter?

lolol! Will you stop?! Don't do it! I'm telling you....

Before I tried it I was always like " why the hell are people so obsessed with Nutella?"..... And then I tried it.....

Have you tried those ferroro rocher candys? That's who makes it and that's exactly what it tastes like

[prinxs 41]

lolol! Will you stop?! Don't do it! I'm telling you....

Before I tried it I was always like " why the hell are people so obsessed with Nutella?"..... And then I tried it.....

Have you tried those ferroro rocher candys? That's who makes it and that's exactly what it tastes like

Agreed with her. I never tried but once I did I know I was hooked but thank god I never bought it or had it again. It is so delicious though but unhealthy.

[wallflower 188]

In the almost 9 months I've been on these forums' date=' I can't tell you how many stories I've read of people having slips from bands too tight for months- because they're expecting the band to restrict what they eat and stop them from eating.[/quote']

I'm terrified of my band slipping. Do you find that too tight of a band is the typical reason for this? Or maybe over eating or vomiting?

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I'm terrified of my band slipping. Do you find that too tight of a band is the typical reason for this? Or maybe over eating or vomiting?

Aside from the minority of people who have slips by no fault of their own, it seems most are due to slips caused by vomiting and bands that are way too tight. The ones who are vomiting regularly are usually doing so because they're too tight, so again, it's totally avoidable.

I know some people probably think I'm a little paranoid, running in for a little unfill just 3 days after a fill, but it's just not worth it to me risk complications from being too tight. I've worked way too hard to get this far to ruin it all with an avoidable slip. That's my logic, anyway.