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All I can hear is the title to Hemminway's great novel: For Whom The Bell Trells. But you are right; we do need get to a life. Trouble is, typing on the internet is so much more slimming than eating....

By the way, what is the difference between God and Pattygreen????

Maybe she believes in God, she just doesn't believe in Pattygreen is all....

I just looked up trell in my on-line dictionary. It seems that it is an alternative spelling for troll.

Why, thanks for the compliments, grrlfiend. I have just come back from the physio where I had a work out on my back, took some fun painkillerz, too. Yippee!!!

Hey, my bro is a doc and my cousin's wife is a nurse and I adore the pair of them.

Oh, wow, then I am doubly-damned for I have had plastic surgery and an abortion and have not shed a tear for either. But I did enjoy the drugs....!

LOL Nope, my family's name is Green but my father was Jewish; he was a Holocaust survivor who found it difficult to believe in God after seeing what was allowed in His universe. My mother was Scottish (and French) and I was baptised Episcopalian and sent away to a boarding school run by Episcopalians. Religious belief didn't really take once I heard that there would be no animals in Heaven. I did go through a briefly devout period and drove my parents nuts worrying about my father's eternal fate after his death. They lied and told me that he was baptised just to shut me up and this worked just because my understanding of theology was kinda shaky at the time. I was only 11. When folks like me watch the Benny Hinns of this world, corrupt scamsters who are just into it for the money of this world, we cannot be but alienated from the belief. It really does seem like studying this miracle book - The Bible - and praying has not done those folks a helluva lot of good, does it? You do raise a good and very amusing point in your post: what if God does exist and He is gonna punish each and everyone of you who has been personally responsible for driving someone away from His religion? Pattygreen had better change her name to brown as in toast.

Pattygreen's comments concerning doctors reminds me of an old joke: what are the differences between God and a doctor? God doesn't think that he is a doctor. But upon reading her posted responses to just about everything I am inclined to rephrase that old joke as follows: what is the difference between Pattygreen and God? God doesn't think that he is Pattygreen, eh. Pattygreen, you simply won't or are unable to get it - why your behaviour brings disgust and frustration and despair amongst your co-religionists, and an utter lack of desire to join up with your religion from atheists such as myself. Shame on you, grrl!

Wow, talk about a one-way street! She and I could have combined our talents. I loved sex! I just didn't like the result!

I would suggest prostitution as a good career path; with those lips she could suck chrome off a trailor hitch (as my husband would say) and, ethically speaking, she has already been dabbling in those waters, hasn't she?

These would be the pro-choice folks who believe that one does not deliberately start out to have a litter of babies - and by opting to have a litter you are deliberately opting to elevate the chances of having the either/or the physical or mental health of these infants compromised! - without the means or ability to adequately raise them. Off course we think that this idiot should be hung! How can we not??? These are the actions of someone who thinks that babies are like toys or kittens. This case is very shocking, very repellent to us. As for your own niece, I note that you are unable to keep your nose out of that case. "Judge not, lest ye......" didn't your God say this to you, Pattygreen? Maybe your niece is an atheist, (and truly doesn't care about the fate of foetus) exhausted and repelled by the perfumed odor of your very public piety.

I am pro-choice and yet I am one of those who feels uneasy around late late choice abortions. The reason for this? Well, temperamentally speaking, I am a pretty organized woman and I believe that folks should be able to get their act together before then. There is not such thing as being a little bit pregnant, you know. I do know of a pregnant woman who was led on by her doctor who kept promising her an abortion but didn't come across with the goods. Fortunately for her, however, she figured it out that she was going to get one from that doctor before a late term abortion was required but you take a young and dim and stressed out woman who isn't able to think right due to panic and you have a real mess on your hands.

Yep, Jack, where are YOU?

I figure they are wondering whether some of us knows of some savvy bit of financial by "hook and by crook" that will work for them, too. But, no, only all fashioned money and good credit will do, eh. *wink*

It is too sad that that poor girl was unable to get herself an abortion and avoid all this circus. I believe, now more than ever, that abortions should be legal and easy to obtain. This poor girl was left all alone holding the bag for a one-night stand of having fun.... Reproduction certainly ain't fair to the woman.

It is fascinating but I have been on any number of websites and the reactions of folks to octopussy's breeding stunt have been overwhelmingly negative. I think that she must be the most vilified woman in America today. It is not surprising that her publicist dropped her. You can't take the stink out of a turd, can you?

I am surprised Dr. Phil had this octopussy's publicist on his show and I tried to sign up in order to comment on his on-line forum but have not - to date - heard back from him. Maybe he didn't like it that I was an atheist....

You bring up a very good point. Pregnancy is gonna play havoc with the spine!!! Ouch!

I spoke with my brother today about octopussy. He is a doctor who lives in Virginia and he finds the situation to be a deplorable one. He says that the mother is obviously non too stable and is unable to provide the children with an adequate standard of life but he feels that it is her doctors who acted in a really irresponsible way by impregnating her with all these embryos. Looking after preemies in a hospital is expensive, by his admittedly conservative estimate it will cost .5 million per infant. The taxpayers of California are going to be on the hook for a bunch before this mess is sorted out. He thinks that the state should punish the docs.

They say kids cost a lot of money to raise, pattygreen. And 14 kids are going to cost a lot more than one: housing 14 children, cooking for 14, keeping 'em clean becomes expensive and an exercise in logistics. There are diapers and cribs when they are infants and beds and bed linens when they are a little older. When they are toddlers you have to keep an eye on them lest they be getting into accidents. Daycare centres have regulations as to the limit of children per childcare attendent and I am sure that one mother per 14 babies is breaking this limit in just about any state, and with good reason! And the sad truth is that preemies have a greater rate of developmental growth defects. In some cases, these children never catch up to your normal child. They will always be high maintenance children. I can easily understand Suleiman's mother's annoyance with her behaviour and that of the other folks who have posted on this thread for I feel it, too! It seems to me to be crazed, selfish, and thoughtless of others (including those kids of hers).

It sounds like yer mum is toxic, a selfish woman who just refuses or is simply unable to "get" it and that you need to emotionally divorce her. I would suggest therapy, either that or a poison that doesn't leave you on the hook for murder - even though this may be considered justifiable.

Um, yep, my blonde...and now over morphined-mind(less). I forgot about that aspect of our Whacky Jacky. Thanks for reminding me, eh.

It seems like this case highlights the need for some regulation of the fertility industry. I really feel for Suleiman's mother; from all reports she sounds like she is at the end of her tether thanks to her whacko daughter. Speaking of which, have I got a match made in hell for her - howzabout octopussy and whacko Jacko????

She's an idiot, a self-deluded idiot.