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I was about to feel sorry for you patty for someone calling you a slow learner then I read your last paragraph and it's just rude. You are not a slow learner, that's for sure. You aren't a learner at all. You're a preacher. You don't allow anything, like the real truth, stand in your way or slow you down. You're a typical tea bagger. Only worse because you think you know stuff and most of them kniow that they're just followers and will admit it. You think you're a leader. Like a lemming, you're a leader. And sister, you asked for it. If you don't want people directing insulting comments to you, then you shouldn't insult anyone yourself!

Good luck. We didn't have much luck getting them to move either us or the other sad tiny babies. They finally shoved our NICU cribs a bit further away from them when some others left. We turned our rockers with our backs to them and that helped a little.

Now that's a fact. It's so much easier when your kids are in school and you're in contact with so many other parents. It always seems to take me a couple of years to get to know people in a new town. But I learned that I have some card playing neighbors who are a blast and I am very happy in this particular neighborhood. Friends are very important to me. I've read that they are very important to most women. Once your nest is empty, I think they become even more important.

elcee, you've left yourself wide open for conversion when you admitted that on some level you wish you believed. I respect your views and I believe that there is certainly merit in what you and btreiger have to say on the subject.

rodriquez, when our twins were in the NICU we were postitioned next to two babies who were addicted and who were going through terrible seizures and constant crying. It was breathtakingly painful to watch! I wish you had a quieter place to nurture your sweet little girl.

patty on adoption: "Too bad there is soooo much red tape involved. " Thank goodness that there is so much red tape involved. Baby trafficking, abuse, snuffing and a whole gamut of bad things can happen to babies who are not wanted. They need to be protected from those who would appear on the surface to be simply people who wish to become parents, but who are actually very bad, bad people who are a threat to the lives of unwanted children.

airbus: you have forgotten to cite whom you're quoting in these just previous posts. I can tell they aren't your words. There aren't as many misspelled words or words used incorrectly as when you're posting from your heart. Please reveal your sources, or don't expect folks to bother reading the stuff.

Leigha, I too noticed that there were some obvious gaps in logic with regard to this thread and the person who was ranting. It sure looks like someone isn't as tuned in as she would like for everyone to believe. And that explains a lot and it also goes to the decision that I will no longer try to engage in debate with her. At least some of the opposition is courteous and it is with them that I will continue to exchange thoughts and ideas.

Cleo's, I admire your ability to read through the drivel and actually try to respond to it. I tried too, but was met with ridiculous assumptions, misrepresentations and fudging of facts. Typical. It isn't worth the trouible that's for sure. But on the upside, it makes for a good opportunity to restate your case and you sure look brilliant by comparison! (Which I am sure that you are.)

It was quite an adventure living in Quebec. One of the most fun times of my life but equally perplexing because of the Quebequois obstenance. I respect them for standing up for what they believe in, but I don't think they're very smart. Work there was very revealing. Nice to meet fellow adventurer.

phil: "All those million dollar mansions still standing in the English Westmount section of Montreal, were families that were either still loyal to the Crown or at the very least, sympathizers who wanted to make sure that they would be on the Victors side, regardless of the outcome! Sounds like modern day rich Republicans to me!" We lived in Westmount for a couple of years. I know those very mansions very well. And the English sympathizers are still alive and well. (Thank goodness. They're the reason our stay there was so great!)

Yep, Cleo's I had everything handed to me and now that I'm looking toward retirement, they're wanting to just hand me more. What a joke. Except it isn't funny! I'll be lucky if I can sell my house for anywhere near what we've invested. Because of the lousy stinking Republicans, and their deregulation and "gifts" to the wealthy, we've lost a bundle in our 401k that we worked so hard and long to get set up for our retirement. No telling when we'll be able to afford to retire. Right now our health insurance costs us well over a thousand a month and we get denied coverage nearly everywhere we go so we have to pay for stuff out of pocket. Yeah, it's a great country eh, comrad?

phil, "There you go again..." in the dumps with your down-low self-esteem. Poor baby.

By the way, I noticed that you posted a link to some assinine comments that Glenn Beck said about our president. And this from someone who isn't familiar with Glenn Beck and doesn't watch him on TV? By the way, I didn't have to listen to the video to know that whatever Beck said was assinine. If his lips are moving, or the tears are flowing, Glenn Beck is being a drama queen and playing the tool that he is.

Your comments could easily be directed to you. Read it this way and you'll see what I mean: "You ariscus, for lack of a better term have been brainwashed, maybe by choice, but brainwashed none the less, by the Republican party, you sound like a person who has a very one track thinking process when it comes to politics, which is sad, there's a lot of good on both sides of the table. I for one can see that. I'm all over the political spectrum. However, I don't believe in handouts, and I don't believe this country should give everything away, I think you should earn your keep or fail out. If your [sic] not capable of succeeding on your own. TOO BAD." (Emphasis mine.) Name one Democratic policy that you agree with. Just one. And if your next door neighbor "fails out" and has no job, loses their home and can't feed their kids, I'm sure that you're going to be johnny-on-the-spot and invite them to move in with you. You'll feed, clothe and house them until they can get to a place where they are not "failing out", right? You definitely do not sound like someone who gives one whit about anybody else. You only want to be wealthy and possess material things that are bigger and better than your neighbor's. Just like your die hard Republican brothers and sisters. .

aribus said about "Michelle" whazhername and "Beck": "You can say I sound like Michelle whatever, I've never heard of her, or Glenn Beck, well, as time goes on, Beck seems to be right about more and more things. Kinda scary. But in reality I get most of my news and information online, I don't watch much tv, and I don't read newspapers." You've never heard of her or him and yet you're convinced that he's right about more and more things? You don't watch much TV or read newspapers so where do you get all your vast political knowledge? From the internet? Cause we all know how reliable internet sources are. Not! You might acquaint yourself with Snopes.com and check out your stories. Just a suggestion because the really smart people actually listen to the radio, read newspapers and books and they watch both sides of the argument on television. The way political commentators are these days and in light of the incredibly biased networks, it's the only way one can really establish a well-informed opinion.

ArisCus: "I have a question for all the Obama lovers on here, and maybe it's been asked an answered already somewhere on these forums, but I haven't seen it yet, so feel free to copy and paste. When does everything stop being GWB's fault and when does Obama stars to take responsibility for everything? Other than of course, the fact that Iraq is a great success of the Obama administration. Because we all now how happy he was about the troop surge and how well he thought it would work. So it only makes sense now, that that would become HIS success, and not the Bush administration's success, because Bush had nothing to do with it. YAY OBAMA!" (Emphasis mine.) Please explain to me how I took your quote out of context. I have a sneaking suspicion that you don't know what "out of context" means. As for my typo of your name, I sure didn't mean to do that. I was trying to quickly post a reply and accidentially hit a "b" instead of a "c". So sue me.

waynoo: "Vote em all out!" And who would you suggest that we elect as president? And who would fill all the empty slots in the Senate and House? And how would you propose that we accomplish this? Or are you just being satirical like your buddy?

airbus: " In the future it would serve you well to be honest with your quotes and include the context to prevent you from looking like a tool shed." I did not take your quote out of context. So because YOU look like a tool you are denying that you meant what you said and accusing me of taking your statement out of context. How is someone to know that you are being satirical? I doubt very seriously that you were at the time. Maybe now, of course, which is entirely understandable.

arisCus: "...the fact that Iraq is a great success..." Who sez Iraq is a great success? Must be Cheney or somebody because Iraq was wrong then and it's wrong now. What would make it a great success for the U.S. is if we get the hell out and do no more damage. Did you hear that they want our Blackwater mercenaries that were guarding the diplomats there, OUT? Good for them!

Some gas pains are probably normal. Yours sounds like too much, especially with your back being invoved. May just be something you ate, like celery, but if it persists you should ask your doctor about it. It could be something more serious than just gas. Like a hiatal hernia. Or gall bladder can manifest itself with pain in your chest and back. Better to check it out than to just be in pain and guess about it since it could be something important.

rodrizuezequal!!! Way to go. A girl. That's really exciting. Hope she and you are doing fine now. You must be exhausted. You're young! You can handle it. Sorry you had to spend that time in the hospital, but 35 weeks is pretty good isn't it? I think our twins were born at 32 weeks. (not mine, my DIL's) I do hope you feel like keeping in touch and letting us know how you're doing! Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

cleo's: "...when they happen under republican presidents, and to fire whoever tells them the truth." It's called "scape goating" and I'm pretty sure that if you look that term up in your encyclopedia, there will be a photo of Dick Cheney beside it.

I'm not impressed that the author went to Stamford. Oh wait, he didn't claim that, someone else did in her follow up post. Uh, the Hoover Institution? Doesn't that just suck?

phil, when Palin comes out of the wilderness with the right wing extremist commandments to present to her followers, they will be engraved on her hand.