MeatballsMom

Again, not what I said!!!!!! I am a former POLICE OFFICER, not a jailer. I did not say these juveniles in jail were NOT raised right. I believe what I said was that you could not tell me that not ONE person did not bitch and moan about some child committing a crime and NOT say where the hell are their parents. I hear that a lot, especially when I was a cop. Kids as young as 11 years of age being arrested for major offenses and adults wanting to know where the hell are their parents and why aren't they raising them right. Yes, my son picked up a toy and put it in his pocket at the ripe old age of 6yrs. I discplined him according to how I felt he needed to be disciplined. I do not consult other parents as to how I raise and discipline my children because quite frankly it is none of their business. Again, I do not advocate beating the hell out of children either. Like another post, there is a HUGE difference between spanking a child for discipline and beating the hell out of them. I also said that NOT ALL children need to be physically disciplined, but there are plenty of children whom do. Good for you that your children did not need to be spanked, and I never said anything about beating animals so why that rant was thrown in there, well fruitless!! Again, I did not say that ALL people whom are in prison were not disciplined or beaten. I will have to go back and read my post, but I am pretty sure I did not say that. I belive what I said was again, people argue about where are the parents of these children whom are out committing crimes. That you I bet you could not find me one person who does NOT say that. Again, please do not miscontrue or doctor up what I am saying to help you with your debate. I will try to make my point more clear for you next time so long as you stop cutting and pasting my comments to fit your agenda.:cool2:

Brandy....that is not what I said. I believe what I said was that you need to leave this up to the parent. The snide comments and/or remarks are of course your opinion of the subject, but you cannot tell me that with the criminal element that society is subjected to among the juveniles in this country, that not once does someone NOT ask where in the hell are the parents and why are they not raising their children right. I do NOT advocate beating the hell out of children and also say that spankings should be a last resort, but there are some, in fact many children that firm talking to's and the other lines of punishment just do NOT work. You have the right to raise yoru children as you see fit just like the next parent, but it seems a bit hypocritical for someone to condemn another for their parenting skills if one is NOT PERFECT. Again, not advocating spankings, but they are a form a punishment that for some children are necessary. Also, I do personally do not think for one minute that most parents whom use physical discipline as a tool to help raise their children MINIMALLY look at their children as property either. I know I do not, therefore how presumptous with that comment in a previous posting!

Okay.......I am one of those from the South, Houston, Texas. My father beat the ever living hell out of me, one that the child abuse law should have been designed for. I have tried all means of discipline with my children, whom are 8 & 9 years of age, and sometimes, the spankings are a must. Sometimes trying to sit them down and say don't do it, grounding, taking away "stuff", just does not cut it. I am not saying haul off and beat the child with a branch, shoe, hanger ("Mommy Dearest", for those of you whom have seen the movie you know what I mean), but good grief children now days do not understand the consequences of their own behaviors. As a mother and former police office, I am not necessarily shocked, but just dumbfounded at those whom advocate against spanking as a discipline when the juvenile crime rate, either minor or major crimes, is through the roof. Kids cursing their parents and not adhereing to rules because the consequences are minimal. What, take their ipod away? LOL.......that stops being effective around what, 13yrs of age, because they will either find somethign else to do or, and yes I have seen this, look you in the face and take the ipod and keep listening to it because they know you are not going to do anything about it. Not all children require physical discpline, but there are plenty of children whom talking to and grounding just does not cut it. Here is what I had to say to a lady in Toys R Us a few years back when my son picked up a toy at the register and put it in his pocket, right in front of me. Now, keep in mind that just a few weeks prior he did it at the grocery store with some candy and was verbally discplined right then-and-there along with a long talk in the car on the way home. I told him to take the toy out of his pocket, give it to me, I spanked his hand 3 times and told him to apology to the cashier for stealing from the store. The lady behind me gasped rather loudly when I spanked him on the HAND and said something along the lines of how I should not BEAT my child. Spanked him on the hand is beating? Really? After my son apologized to the cashier, I looked at the lady and explained as calmly as I could the following: Ma'am, the last time I checked this is my child and I am responsible for him, however if you would like, I will keep letting him steal and merely talk to him like I did last month when he did the same thing, and when he turns 13 yrs of age and is breaking into your home and stealing from you or carjacking you at gun point, do NOT come yelling and crying to me that I do not discpline him enough. She looked perplexed, then she apologized and told me she never looked at it that way. Keep in mind, I was still a police office at that time and in uniform. Therefore, not sure if she thought I was saying that as a cop or a mom, either way it was none of her business. I am sure if I were a little less heated, I would have also pointed out that it is the continual stealing of children and the lack of consequences for their behaviors that drive the prices in stores through the roof as well. But, I think I made my point. I do believe there are many peopel whom take this to the extreme, but I do NOT believe it is the governments business to get into the matter of parents discipling their children, within reason. There is a law, at least in Texas, where physical discpline may take place on the bottom or the backs of hands and nothing else, I believe, pending there are no marks left on the child. I am a psychology major working on my PhD and I will say this much-pyschological torment for children whom are physically disciplined within reason is NOT as prevalent as those whom are against pysical discipline like to make it out to be. It is the indivdiuals whom deem it necessary to beat the hell out of their children or beat them on a daily basis that is the problem. I do not think this is the first and foremost way a parent should discipline a child, but rather a means of assisting when all other recourse fails. My only concern are the busy bodies whom have nothing else better to do with their time than to criticize me and others for trying to help our children become more productive citizen as well as ones that the rest of society does not have to support among the outstanding statistical criminal element we have today.

PB...I couldn't agree with you more....maybe he is a little scared, you know, when you lose all of this weight and want to move on with your life. Or, is he typically a pessimistic person? If he typically is this way, chalk it up to his typically negative personality and look him in the face and say "screw you, this is about me for a change". He can either take it or leave it. It seems, most of us women, that we get so wrapped up in our marriages and children that we lose sight of us, who we really are. We have let ourselves go and sucumb to the everyday stressors in our lives that afford us the ability to turn to food as our comforting agent. Our junk food is like someone elses crack, alcohol, heroine, meth, etc. etc. You do what you feel is right for you, not what is right for your husband or kids for a change. You will be surpirsed how much happier you will be knowing you did something for yourself, something that will not only make you feel better about yourself on the outside, but something that your body/health will appreciate you for for years to come. To know what you prefer instead of humbly saying amen to what society tells you you ought to prefer, is to have kept your soul alive~Robert Louis Stevenson

Here is their website where you can choose a location near you. See if you can order on line if you do not have one close to you though: Smoothie King

ahhhhhh I did not know there was a low carb myoplex....thanks because although I was happy with the protien content, the carbs were a tad over what I want to consume right now.

Here is what I posted on another board: For those of you in need of a good Protein shake, here is what I have to offer :tt1:: smoothie King has a nutrional supplement called Gladiator Meal Replacement (this comes in chocolate/vanilla/strawberry) Here are the Supplement Facts per TWO Scoops and water---Note that you can mix this with Water and the number will not change, but if you mix with skim milk and add fruit, then of course the number are going to go up: CAlories---180 Fat----0 Cholesterol-----0 Total Carbs----1g Fiber-----0 Sugars----<1g Protein-----45g Sodium------150mg Potassium-----355mg Also----EAS has a Protein Shake called Myoplex Original (purple container) I personally drink only the chocolate and here is the info for this shake (these are already prepared): Colories---300 Total Fat----7g Cholesterol----20mg Sodium---700mg Potassium---850mg Total Carbs----19g Fiber----6g Sugars---2g Protein----42g Please note that this is for a 17oz container, one that would not be drunk all at once. I personally mix mine with skim milk, ice and sometimes either a banana or blueberries and stawberries. Hope this helps!!!!:confused_smile:

For those of you in need of a good Protein shake, here is what I have to offer :tt1:: smoothie King has a nutrional supplement called Gladiator Meal Replacement (this comes in chocolate/vanilla/strawberry) Here are the Supplement Facts per TWO Scoops and water---Note that you can mix this with Water and the number will not change, but if you mix with skim milk and add fruit, then of course the number are going to go up: CAlories---180 Fat----0 Cholesterol-----0 Total Carbs----1g Fiber-----0 Sugars----<1g Protein-----45g Sodium------150mg Potassium-----355mg Also----EAS has a Protein Shake called Myoplex Original (purple container) I personally drink only the chocolate and here is the info for this shake (these are already prepared): Colories---300 Total Fat----7g Cholesterol----20mg Sodium---700mg Potassium---850mg Total Carbs----19g Fiber----6g Sugars---2g Protein----42g Please note that this is for a 17oz container, one that would not be drunk all at once. I personally mix mine with skim milk, ice and sometimes either a banana or blueberries and stawberries. Hope this helps!!!!:confused_smile:

Oh.....I have the chocolate and the vanilla low carb high protein shake mixes at home and drink them religiously.....I am not kidding......bread is like crack to me.....sad huh?

I would first ask your doctors office for the letter that shows you were approved. If no letter, they should keep some type of documentation of who they spoke to BCBS and when. If not, I would really question their eithics. Has the doctor been paid? Is it the insurance company that is wanting money from you or the doctor? $40k is not chump change and I would at least seek consulation from someone qualified in this area. It would seem to me that the doctor would NOT have gone through the surgery unless he though the insurance company was going to pay him, or unless you have already paid him in full. Therefore, it sounds like a blunder on the insurance company's part. I just cannot see a doctor performing a surgery without getting paid by you or an insurance company stating they were going to pay for it, in some type of writing or letter. I would first ask them if they received a letter from the insurance company and then go from there.

Okay…..so I am officially 3 weeks post op today, May 20, 2008 and am seriously ready to eat a cow . I have been this way since last week and the doc, oh I love him but hell, told me that as long as I am losing weight he is not too concerned about anything. My issues, I am not eating the 4oz that is suggested, but more like 10-12oz, and he said that is fine because I am losing weight so long as I am not eating crap. :sleep: I must confess, I did have 3 Cookies last week although totally drowned in milk, I did eat them and I told him this:thumbdown:. He asked if that was it and I honestly told him yes. I had not even eaten the recommended oatmeal, mushy Cereal, in fact no breads, rice, Pasta, etc. Right now, I want to dive my big ol but into a plate of nothing by carbohydrates or a greasy cheeseburger with some chips and queso, but I have refrained. :eek: Quitting sugar and, well hell the “good foods” (aka: fattening foods) the way I did was like telling a drug addict, alcoholic or smoker to stop cold turkey. I was told my insurance approved me on April 18 and I needed to start my liquid diets because they were scheduling my surgery for April 25, which ended up getting pushed back to April 29, 2008. Now, I am not ungrateful because I appreciate the opportunity to have this surgery, I am sure as much as any of you, but someone please tell me what I can have because right now I want to cave in and eat something that I know I do not need, should not eat and is totally against what this procedure is for. BTW……I have eaten the sugar free jellos and puddings, the sugar free popsicles and the yogurts, but I think it is the bread my body is craving as I have had ZERO of that (except those three cookies). I feel tired, worn out, not really wanting to do anything, which I am thinking is the lack of carbs as my intake is very minimal right now. Any suggestions would be most appreciated!!!!

Well, you are probably in surgery right now, so I hope all went well. Let us know how you are doing when you are able.

BTW...I hate you.......I want a friggin buritto from taco hell.......uggghhhhhh!!!

Sweetheart, do NOT give her money, buy her the food yourself. If you live to far away, send it to a neighbor to buy it for her. Uggghhhhh.........that is like the homeless people here in Houston, and Lord only knows tht our homeless population for exceeds the population of most small towns. I will NEVER give them money, but I will go to a McDonalds or whatever is close and buy them food. I have ZERO problems with doing that, because most of them are either alcoholics or drug addicts and all they are going to do with the $$$ is buy whatever it is they are addicted to. Just do yourself and favor and try every route possible to get her fed WITHOUT sending her the money!!! You will feel so much better knowing that you helped her out without feeding her PROBLEM!!!!

Ahhh thanks for the reply Mandi, but I am wondering if I should even be eating those right now. I actually love the wheat tortillas, but I am under the impression that bread all together should be avoided if possible, at least for now. I also think that I am at a stage right now where if I am given an inch, I will take 10 miles. Meaning: if I am given the opportunity to say eat 1 wheat tortilla, I will want to eat some lasagna, cereal, sandwhich from schlotzky's etc. etc. We will see, I might entertain eating half of one some my body will stop hating me.....LOL

Ladies.....I will scoot over and you can come share my boat....I am three weeks post op as of yesterday and have honestly wanted to eat everythign in sight as early as 2 weeks post op. I was told this is normal, but that we need to make sure we adhere to the diet as this is a time to let are bodies recovery from the surgery. Right, tell that to my body who is pissed because it is carbohydrate deprived. Yes ladies, my body is not happy with me....well, not right now. Like I posted on my blog yesterday, it is like telling an alcoholic, drug addict or smoker to stop cold turkey----it sucks and you feel like you are turning into a, well, bitch sometimes. Okay, moody person for those who may be offended at that word. I have lost 16lbs since my surgery APril 29 and I was only given 1 week notice I was to have surgery, therefore my liquid diet consited of about 7 days pre op. I have not weighed myself since my post op appointment and do not intend to until I go in for my 6 week checkup the first week of June, to which I will be asking for a fill. Hell, demanding one......LOL Do NOT beat youself up as it is not going to help matters, in fact it will only drive you to want to eat more.....Do NOT weigh yourself everyday either, that is only more frustrating and again, giving you another reason to want to find that comforting food you are so accustomed to. I have noticed that whether I am losing weight or not is irrelevant because I can most definitly tell I am losing inches. Just got my butt into a pair of Old Navy jeans, size 16, that three weeks ago I could not even pull over my butt. DO NOT focus on the weight only, but rather on the overall outcome. You will be surprised!! Good luck and again, try to stay positive and I understand about the family thing....I have an 8 & 9 year old who are understanding, but who tell me that I should not eat this and that and this and that as they eat it in front of me. LOL....sometime I would like to kick everyone in the head, including the friggin 100lb hooker (not literally) that I work next to who can eat 5 donuts, three candy bars, a slice of cake and a fat greasy hamburger and LOSE weight. Oh well, here's to will power. huh?!?!?!

Okay…..so I am officially 3 weeks post op today, May 20, 2008 and am seriously ready to eat a cow :thumbs_up:. I have been this way since last week and the doc, oh I love him but hell, told me that as long as I am losing weight he is not too concerned about anything. My issues, I am not eating the 4oz that is suggested, but more like 10-12oz, and he said that is fine because I am losing weight so long as I am not eating crap. :cursing: I must confess, I did have 3 cookies last week although totally drowned in milk, I did eat them and I told him this:thumbdown:. He asked if that was it and I honestly told him yes. I had not even eaten the recommended oatmeal, mushy cereal, in fact no breads, rice, pasta, etc. Right now, I want to dive my big ol but into a plate of nothing by carbohydrates or a greasy cheeseburger with some chips and queso, but I have refrained. :smile2: Quitting sugar and, well hell the “good foods” (aka: fattening foods) the way I did was like telling a drug addict, alcoholic or smoker to stop cold turkey. I was told my insurance approved me on April 18 and I needed to start my liquid diets because they were scheduling my surgery for April 25, which ended up getting pushed back to April 29, 2008. Now, I am not ungrateful because I appreciate the opportunity to have this surgery, I am sure as much as any of you, but someone please tell me what I can have because right now I want to cave in and eat something that I know I do not need, should not eat and is totally against what this procedure is for. BTW……I have eaten the sugar free jellos and puddings, the sugar free popsicles and the yogurts, but I think it is the bread my body is craving as I have had ZERO of that (except those three cookies). I feel tired, worn out, not really wanting to do anything, which I am thinking is the lack of carbs as my intake is very minimal right now. Any suggestions would be most appreciated!!!!

Okay…..so I am officially 3 weeks post op today, May 20, 2008 and am seriously ready to eat a cow :thumbdown:. I have been this way since last week and the doc, oh I love him but hell, told me that as long as I am losing weight he is not too concerned about anything. My issues, I am not eating the 4oz that is suggested, but more like 10-12oz, and he said that is fine because I am losing weight so long as I am not eating crap. :sleep: I must confess, I did have 3 cookies last week although totally drowned in milk, I did eat them and I told him this:thumbdown:. He asked if that was it and I honestly told him yes. I had not even eaten the recommended oatmeal, mushy cereal, in fact no breads, rice, pasta, etc. Right now, I want to dive my big ol but into a plate of nothing by carbohydrates or a greasy cheeseburger with some chips and queso, but I have refrained. :thumbup: Quitting sugar and, well hell the “good foods” (aka: fattening foods) the way I did was like telling a drug addict, alcoholic or smoker to stop cold turkey. I was told my insurance approved me on April 18 and I needed to start my liquid diets because they were scheduling my surgery for April 25, which ended up getting pushed back to April 29, 2008. Now, I am not ungrateful because I appreciate the opportunity to have this surgery, I am sure as much as any of you, but someone please tell me what I can have because right now I want to cave in and eat something that I know I do not need, should not eat and is totally against what this procedure is for. BTW……I have eaten the sugar free jellos and puddings, the sugar free popsicles and the yogurts, but I think it is the bread my body is craving as I have had ZERO of that (except those three cookies). I feel tired, worn out, not really wanting to do anything, which I am thinking is the lack of carbs as my intake is very minimal right now. Any suggestions would be most appreciated!!!! :thumbup:

Same here....I remember waking up in teh recovery room wanting to vomit, although could not, and them giving me a shot of nausea medication, they had to give it to me again about 30 minutes later according to the nurse when I actually came to about 2 hours later. I would call the doc as a lot of heaving/vomiting could make the band slip!!!

Well congrats on your surgery and the fact that you are compliant, even if it is the OCD "talking".....LOL...suppose this is one of the few times it is good to have OCD??? Also, seems kindof hard to not go to your monthly Dr.'s appointments when your doctor is hot, huh? If he says it is okay to start trying mushies, go for it, just BECAREFUL and do this in very tiny bits. Best of luck to you.........

LOL....I know, I wanted so bad to ask my surgeon to lipo out about 20-25lbs for me. I would have even paid him cash to do it.....that would have been nice. Oh well, one can wish huh?!?!?!?!

You should have time......I had already done my psych eval though, but I was notified exactly one week prior to my surgery that I was to have it done. They called me on April 18 and told me they were scheduling me for an April 25 surgery, but my doc had to leave for a family emergency, so they pushed my surgery back to April 29, 2008. Needless to say, I got my bloodwork, ultrasound, and EKG done all on the Monday morning before my ORIGINAL surgery date, which was only 4 days away. You can do it, it is honestly not that hard. You do feel a little pressed for time, but if you want this done and you have a free day to spare in order to get all of your tests done, then do it!!!!

Coltonwade: I comlpetely understand about the watching the calories in the smoothies and I have one of Smoothie Kings Calories Charts I carry with me. The shake I get from them is a Low Car High Protein Shake that has 280 Calories for a 20oz shake, 7 carbs and, well shoot, I believe something like 35g protein but do not quote me on that part. It is a large amount of protein in a 20oz shake, just do not recall the exact amount. You are most def. right about the caloric intake though, as I was told to eat no less than 1000-1200 a day, anything less and my body would think it was starving and would start hording (sp) the food in all the nasty places I do not want it to go. Thanks for the advice =)

I was banded 4/29/2008 and like the rest, am hungrier than hell. I was told this is to be expected but that I should try hard to remain on liquid/mushy food for at least another 2-3 weeks. LOL...try telling that to my body......I have lost almost 16 since my surgery and would really hate to blow it, but everytime I see bread, Pasta, Cookies I want to dive into like Roseanne Barr use to dive into cheesepuffs on her comedy tours. Good gawd there were donuts today that I eyeballed like I was going to murder them with my teeth. Other posts are right, it is ALL about will power. I caved in an had a couple of cookies, which means 3, the other day but I stopped. I have not had any candy, ice cream, cake, Lord only knows that it is all around me almost everyday too. Here is what helps me: the creamed soups-baked potato, brocolli and cheese, chicken tortilla and tomato basil. They are smooth enough yet have more consistancy to fill me up. I also live on smoothie King Protein shakes (LOw Carb High Protein) and PowerBar protein plau chocolate & Peanut Butter bars (the peanut butter is not the same consistancy as regular peanut butter. I have found out that although I can tolerate a little (and do mean a little) bit a bread, I cannot tolerate straight peanut butter. Not suppose to have it anyway. You have to want to lose the weight bad enough to not give in to the temptation. Trust, I have to close the fridge door everyday and beg myself not to open it again. I have two kids at home that should not be deprived of breads, rice, Cereal etc. etc. Keep small portions around the house, this should keep you from eating too much also. Good Luck and Keep Us Posted!!

I was banded on April 29, 2008, which makes me 2.5 weeks post op and I am ready to eat a cow. I have been very good about what I put in my mouth but will not lie, the last 2-3 days I have eaten 3 Cookies and some chips (just a handful). What worries me is that non of that hurt and non of it filled me up. I went in to see my doc this past Wed., May 14, 2008 and was inquiring about a fill, to which he told me he does not do them until we have been banded a minimum of 6-weeks. I told him that I am eating more than 4oz, that I am eating more like 10-12oz and it worries me. He asked what I was eating and about my Protein shakes, which I make regularly or I go to smoothie king and have them make me a low carb high protien one. Also about my Vitamin intake, which I adhere to. He told me that as long as I am losing weight, which I have lost 3 more lbs since last week, then I am fine. He said we would discuss a fill on my June 2 appointment when it has been 6 weeks. No worries, you are not the only one in ths boat. Figure out what you are eating and try elimanating some of it. I have found myself eating all day and it makes me feel like a cow, but I am steadily losing weight. So try this if it will help and give the second fill a couple of days. I have heard it can take up to 3-4 fills before it works for you. EVeryone is different. There is a lady who works with my fiance who had hers done 10 months ago and is just now going in for her first fill while I am needing one at 6weeks post op. Good Luck and keep us posted on your second fill!!! Krys