BigJohn58

Bill this is a learning process for all of us but I feel like I'm going into this surgery with all the knowledge and tools to succeed. My problem has always been quantity of food not quality I hardly ever eat sugary things. I met some great people on this forum. Thanks Sent from my Bat Phone using the BariatricPal App

@@BigJohn58 I don't think I can give you a better answer than @@theantichick gave you. Essentially, my friend has chosen to ignore any healthy diet choices, and makes symbolic efforts on occasion that might have been useful pre-op, but are useless post-op - like eating salad instead of Protein.< /p>

Still a work in progress. Almost 4 months out.
SW 250
CW 187
GOAL 150
Ultimate goal 130
Height 5' 4"
Sleeved 8/25/16


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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Hello Pals!
Today is my LAST nutrition visit. I have been struggling with losing weight this whole time. My weight has fluctuated up & down but I am 7 pounds down from my initial consultation. honestly, I feel like a failure. I tried REALLY hard but only got 7 pounds down in the end?? smh. Nervous if they will still approve me. Idk what to even say when I step into her office today lol. I guess it is what it is! & proof that I really do need this tool. The struggle is real.
How much did your surgeon require you to lose? How much did you end up losing by your last nutrition visit. Thanks for any responses! I will update this thread later with what happened at the last visit.. & if they approve me or not. STAY TUNED!

And it wasn't for an appointment. When I was in the hospital right after surgery, I had an incredible team of professionals looking after me. They were quick to respond, they were compassionate, and above all, they were competent. About two weeks after I was discharged, I even got a card signed by all the people who cared for me, wishing me luck and encouraging me to stop and visit sometime in the future. So I did. I had some other business close by, and used the opportunity to take some thank you notes addressed to each of them up to the floor I was on.
As I was walking along the main floor toward the elevators I needed to take, I saw my surgeon standing along the wall with another gentleman in a white coat. I figured he was a doctor of some sort too. Anyway, my doc saw me coming, and apparently recognized me, as he got a big smile on his face and said, Hey, how are you doing!?!"
"So, you recognized me with my clothes on, eh?"
That got the both of them laughing pretty hard. I stopped to speak with him, and his next question was, "How far down are you now?"
"One hundred fourteen pounds since the beginning. I'm slowing down a little, but I am about 40 lbs from my original target, 60 from my revised one." I turned to the other gentleman standing there, and said, "He did a good job slicing me up. I did ask him to make mine bigger". My doc started laughing again and said, "I remember that!" It was a conversation we had as they were wheeling me into the operating room.
The other doc said, "I wish someone would operate on me to make me taller". I am 6'1", and my doc is about 6'3". This other guy was about 5' 7" or so. So I said to him, "We could always nail your feet to the floor and kick you in the... well, you know."
That got a shocked look from both of them coupled with a second or two of complete silence, and then some uproarious laughter.
I went on to say, "The Bible says, "Which of us, by taking thought, can add a single cubit to our stature? We are born the way we are, and height doesn't matter. I was born to be tall and fat." The short doc responded, "Well I was born short and fat, and I would like to be taller!" We all engaged in one final round of polite laughter, and I parted ways reminding my doctor that I would be seeing him in a week.
I am pretty much a blue collar guy with a bit of an education. I have had surgeons and other doctors as students of mine. Doctors don't intimidate me. I think I might have shocked them a bit. It was worth it.

I've had friends gain back from lapband and bypass both. I can already see where I could "eat around" my sleeve if that were my intention. It's all about dealing with food issues.
For instance. I knew a couple who were both well over 500 lbs each. They went together to get lapband but refused the offered therapy, because they just knew they didn't need anything like that. They actively talked about how they still drank sugared sodas, ate ice cream, and ate cream-based Soups because those foods would slip by the band and they could eat as much of it as they wanted to satisfy their cravings. They would go to the all you could eat restaurants and eat, then go to the bathroom and purge, eat some more, and repeat because they wanted to get their money's worth. They freely admitted they had issues with food, but refused to address those issues, but complained because the band wasn't making them lose weight. SMDH.
Except for those for whom weight is strictly an issue of Portion Control, there is typically a huge element of emotional eating involved. Whether it's bingeing (with or without purging), emotional eating, or simple overeating, a common crutch for emotional issues is to stuff it down or bandage it with food. While most of us aren't as open and vocal about it as my two friends were, we will tend to do basically what they did... find ways to "eat around" whatever WLS tool we put in place. Our sleeves won't stretch, per se, but if we extend our meals we can shovel more in on top as food is being processed out, and eat more at a sitting. If we eat less dense foods, we can pack more in. If we graze all day, we can eat ridiculous amounts of calories. If we increase our tolerance for fatty and sugary foods and drinks and choose them, we can eat more calories.
There's two main things people can do to avoid this. One is to clean up their environment so they're not tempted to go off track. If bread/pasta/carbs lead to overeating, don't have them available or don't allow them in the diet at all (one reason many people stay on the low-carb plans). Don't keep high calorie/low nutrition foods around. And so on. The other is to use therapy or other tools to dig down and figure out what's driving us to use food as an emotional crutch/bandage and fix the underlying problem (or find a new crutch/bandage which is why there's so much crossover addiction in the WLS community).
The reason WLS fails (IMHO) is because people believe (or are led to believe) that WLS is a quick fix and don't know to, or aren't willing to, do the work. And that work is needed for successful weight loss, whether you use the WLS tool or not. WLS is a great tool for a number of reasons, but that work can't be avoided. And it's not easy. Which is why weight loss fails.
So ultimately, my long-winded post sums up to this.... WLS fails for the same reason weight loss fails.

@@BigJohn58 there are a lot of answers/reasons. But not eating dense Protein first is the root cause.

I had the sleeve done and thank you so much almost 30 pounds
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I had my surgery in Feb of 2015. And I have turned my life around from 274kg (604lbs) I cannot put my story into a short post so I have made a website www.halftheman.co.za
I am willing to answer any questions or offer any help I can to anyone who might need it..
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Don't worry God is in control !
To God be the Glory for all He has done!

Great story keep us posted of your progress
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Your Hot Hot Hot did I say Hot
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Dear Lord
Cover this child with your sovereign hand, bring restoration and healing to her body
In Jesus name,
AMEN
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Your Hot Hot Hot did I say Hot
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I wish you would give my wife a blood transfusion she never wants to have sex and I wake up with a woody every morning PS when I get my surgery I'm going request he ad another 4 inches
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I'm just starting out with my journey I don't even have a surgery date I have so many pre op appointments.
Listen I'm 58 I should of done this 15 years ago before my sleep apnea and my diabetes. You were smart to do it now while your young. My brain needs a gastric sleeve as well as my stomach. So that's why I will continue going to a therapist and meetings to keep your brain in step with our stomach lol I'm learning here everyday and the wealth of knowledge on this forum is awesome.
I think women get more emotional than men with that said I'm the last person that would ever go for weight loss surgery but it took me this long to realize this is a disease and has to be treated as such. I try to envision myself thin and healthy again and buy clothes from a regular store and not the Big and tall shop. Keep your eye on the prize kiddo good look
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Today is my one year surgiversary! 11/17/15 - the day I chose to take my life back and learn to put myself first again. #tbt to both the biggest challenge and best year of my life. I am forever grateful for all of the support I have been given by so many wonderful people in my life - doctors, an amazing nutritionist, counselor, friends, colleagues, students/athletes, and, most importantly, family. I could not have accomplished my goals without their constant love and support. Here's to an even better 2017. #2016ismyyear #hardworkpaysoffs #healthierandhappier #110lbdifference
HW 244 SW 223 CW 133
Size 20/22 to a size 2/4

320 to 180 8months out still got a ways to go