BigViffer

There is no way that you will be able to consume enough protein/calories to build muscle mass this close to your surgery date. You'll be able to stave off atrophy, but not make any strength gains. My recommendation would be to continue making strides in your weightloss honeymoon phase. There will never be another time in your life where it flies off like it will the first year. Take advantage of that. Once you are further out and your daily calories are well north of 1,000 then you can try the weights again. Right now, your 600-700 calories is below your BMR which is why you are losing weight so quickly. For any sort of strength gain, you have to be at a caloric surplus. Hope that helps.

My replies that people are saying are rude, I see as at worse curt or abrupt. I didn't judge you until you played the part of victim in an imaginary bullying forum post. I do not plan out my response to be being positive nor negative, but factual. In regards to the collective wisdom, just wait a few weeks and read the posts that inevitably appear about eating pizza, tacos, or some other incredible food while they are supposed to be on liquids. You may rethink your stance on the matter. That person I have no interest in helping since they care so little for themselves. However, other new post op people may read the post so I will reply with information. Thank you for the compliments on my pictures. Yes I have done well, and it has been because I listened to my surgeon and not my body. I collected facts and knowledge, I did not accomplish anything with warm fuzzies from the forum. You say that new patients need help and advice, I believe that they need information and determination. I can provide the information from my experience, but that it all. Since I am one of the more successful members past two years still left on this site, there are questions that I can answer more accurately than someone that is less than a year out. I have never given anyone a tongue lashing. No one on here is worth my time to think of insults. At best, they'll get an eye roll. I'm sure many will see this post as yet another rude reply or me being mean. I truly do not intend for it to be that way. I am completely dispassionate about the issue. I merely replied because your response was well thought out and clearly communicated without being adversarial. I am sure we both want the same things, but we approach the same goal from very different directions. Good luck.

Ugh, another sensitive newbie getting ruffled feathers when someone with a little experience replies to their poorly thought out post. First off, this forum is for discussion. You posted some points and I posted some counter points. I may have done so bluntly but I did not do so negatively. If your information is correct and you had surgery on 7/10, you are pretty new to the experience of living with the sleeve and you've only been on this forum for a very short while. You have a higher opinion than I do about the collective wisdom of people. We have members here who literally stopped on the way home from the hospital and grabbed fast food to eat. Since I have been a member here there have been many people sent back to the hospital for advancing their diet because they were listening to their bodies and not to the surgeon. The chewing and spitting out is not a joke, it happens all the time on here and has led to eating disorders. I wasn't judging you, but I am starting to do so. I think you are naive and inexperienced but have good intentions. You ask me not to ruin a friendly sharing site, I ask you not to ruin a valuable resource of information. If you think my posts are negative, there are tools available to you to block my posts.

lol, I did NOT type that. I used the word R E T A R D the healing process. As in "delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment." You know... the F U C K I N G definition of the word. Jesus, I hate the PC over compensation of this forum.

Woah... this is just chocked full of bad advice. It's your life so you can do what you want, but please don't encourage people to advance their diet before their surgeon tells them to do so. Chewing food and spitting it out is just training for an eating disorder. Not to mention that it triggers the stomach to start producing more stomach acid that could lead to heart burn, or worse case scenario complicate and/or intellectually challenged the healing process. "Listening to your body" is a popular phrase on here but it is bad advice. Listening to our bodies made many of us fat and lazy. If this is forever, the best thing to do is follow the plan to the letter to establish good habits.

Supreme protein bars are available at most gas stations. They are also meal replacement bars, high in carbs as well as protein.

Yeah, that's just practicing an eating disorder. Really bad idea. As for "harm", chewing triggers the release of digestive juices which in turn increases the acid levels in your newly sleeved stomach. It could slow the healing process or just cause heartburn. But the more important issue really is the formation of an eating disorder and negative habit.

Apologies, I thought you were recently post op because of the nature of the question. I made the assumption you were in the rapid weight loss phase. If you are 16 months out, do what works for you. You're healed and you have already established your eating habits.

While you may not be super active, you are healing after major surgery. The higher protein recommendation holds true in your case. The 40 grams of protein would be for a sedentary average woman, not a fresh bariatric patient. Always give your surgeon more credit than a guy on the internet!

Protein goals are set at lean mass, not total body mass. A sedentary adult would only require 40 grams for female and 60 grams for male as an average. Up that another 20-ish for a somewhat active adult. For muscle gain, at least 100 grams. For serious muscle mass gains, 1 gram per pound of lean mass. As you lose weight, your lean mass will hopefully stay the same (no hypotrophy). Better yet would be mass gain (hypertrophy). So to answer your question, no your protein requirement does not lessen as you lose weight.

My tastes have changed drastically post op, even 2 years later. Some foods I have hated for as long as I can remember don't seem to bother me anymore. Foods that I have loved my entire life make me sick or uncomfortable. And some foods that were "meh" before are now my favorites. Pretty much any bread, white potato, or rice leaves me either uncomfortable or sick. lol, my all time favorite breakfast used to be biscuits and sausage gravy. It was even my "last meal" before surgery. I tried it once post op and it was just nasty. Just felt like coagulated fat and clumpy carbs. Green beans have been a 20+ year hated vegetable. Now I can eat them without gagging. Peanut butter I have hated for 15 years is now one of my go-to's. Eggs may be my favorite food now, they are just so damned versatile!

This is exactly what I was talking about in another thread. People don't want advice. They want want validation and "there, there" 's. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

lol, ah... the big newbie hormonal dump rage vs bored vet arguments. The same thing played out over & over every 6 months. A piece of advice, but not for the newbies. Vets, your input is not really wanted. People only want a vet to reaffirm their choices, theories, and advice. I found that the ones that truly want advice are not the ones hoping to make a name, obtain popularity, or gain a reputation on the forum. More often than not, the ones that appear to take advice to heart are the ones that have PM'ed a vet for a private conversation. That allows a conversation without any posturing.

There is no need for a "pouch reset". You are just getting worked up for nothing. It's very normal though at this stage. Stress is very high early on and the desire to always see that number go down is very strong. Relax. Breathe in, breathe out. Gaining a pound is a BM just waiting to happen. Or 1 lbs water is equal to 16 ounces. Did you just finish a drink? You might just be in a stall while your body is moving things around.

If you mean walking on a treadmill or easy going on an eliptical, you could physically handle it. However, you will need clearance from your surgeon. A week out you probably still have the drain at least and maybe the pain ball. Even if you don't have any of those, the gym is a hotbed of bacteria. You don't want to be around that crap while your incisions are still healing.

No oatmeal ever? I would question that dietitians qualification. Oats are an excellent source of complex carbohydrates as well as fiber. I am not sure what they would consider a "better" choice. Bran is good; as is shredded wheat, but I wouldn't say they are better. As for the "soaking" up the liquid, the only liquid in our stomachs should be digestive juices. Which is mainly hydrochloric acid. I'm pretty sure that oats (nor oatmeal) are impervious to hydrochloric acid. The example given of sitting in the sink isn't really a fair comparison because of the mastication of food in our stomach versus the unchewed food in the sink. Not picking on you Suns, just questioning the advice of your dietitian.

I say go for it. You are still in your honeymoon phase truth be told. You are going to bounce back a little bit most likely anyways, and it's not a bad thing! I hit 198 and now maintain at about 220, which incidently was my stated goal weight. Though I bet if I stopped heavy lifting, I would dip back down to 200 in short enough time. As for still seeing the fat person in the mirror, I feel you there. No matter what anyone says, I still see the belly. Some days, I can literally FEEL the fat roll of my stomach. 20 years overweight and identifying as the fat guy doesn't go away easily.

You should be afraid. Fear is a powerful motivator. Fear can also lead to respect. For example, I do not work with electricity anymore since getting the **** shocked out of me. I understand how it works and now have the utmost respect for electricity. I no longer fear it though. If you use this time to learn proper nutrition and establish good eating habits, you will no longer fear failure but you may respect the power food can have over you. I see this stated so many times and I truly do not understand why people choose to call it cheating. Cheating is almost always done to win. In our situations, "cheating" always indicates failure or weakness. Don't despair! We all have weak times, it's natural. But having the idea in your head that you are cheating does not help you win at anything. Recognize it as a weak moment so that you can work on becoming stronger.

Jesus, the "discussion" about Genepro just won't go away. Sherrie in particular appears to love bringing this topic up for discussion. Here is a recent thread of hers about it: If you were do do a search of this forum for Genepro, you would find 1,583 results.(Genpro returns 112). There is nothing new that can be said of this. In the company's own words: They are saying their 10g of special protein is equivalent to 30g whey. Genepro is not backed by science but marketing.

You are not losing your mind at all, it is perfectly normal. Don't try and "break the stall" as it is precisely what your body should be doing at this stage. "Only" losing 40lbs in a month is an incredible amount of weight in that time period. The industry average according to my surgeon is 25 lbs. Fat is not being "redistributed", your body is just using reserves to complete the healing process. Adaptation cannot happen at the same time as the loss. You have the about a year of the drastic weight loss ahead of you, don't worry. As long as you follow the plan and do not fall back into what was considered "normal" habits before, the scale will continue to go down and then maintain. Since you are still so fresh from surgery, I would heartily recommend you take measurements of your chest, waist, hips, thighs, and arms. That is the one set of metrics I did not track and I really wish I had done so.

It really depends on your needs. If you are very active in the gym, want to maintain or add muscle, keep your hair, and have strong nails; you need a protein bar that is 100% whey protein. Depending on how hard you hit the gym, you may want to keep the carbs in the protein bar. Insulin promotes protein synthesis. Whey protein has the highest bio-availability. If you are vegan; soy, pea, and hemp protein are probably going to be your primary protein source. They will work, but you will only get about half of that in bio-availability. All that being said, if you find a perfect mix of carbs and protein, they don't mean a thing if they taste like crap. So the best protein bar is the one that you will actually eat.

One cannot live on water alone. What are you eating? Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

Well, if you go by the actual description of this website: Not a support site, but rather a site for discussion. Or if you prefer the official app description: Again, not merely for support. So why am I here? For information. Whether it be gathering or disseminating. Now, as a Type 2 diabetic myself and someone who has insulin dependent family members who I have seen with glucose levels in the 600's, the very first question any doctor will ask is, "What are you eating?" It doesn't have to be because of sweets; simple cabs like bread, potatoes, and fruit can drive glucose levels into dangerous territory. Just because I don't come across all warm and fluffy doesn't mean I am being a jerk nor does it make me unsupportive. But you talking to someone that you have no direct interaction with in the way that you did makes you appear self righteous. If you don't like my posts, put me on ignore. It makes no difference to me.

Kind of begs the question, what are you eating? Do you keep an accurate food journal? Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

That only works if the post is about 15 minutes old. Anything older than that you cannot edit or remove. Have to blame the trolls and combative vets of the past for that little gem. People were editing their posts after creating flame wars to make themselves as the victim instead of the instigator. Also, Alex has as much said that anything you post here, picture or text, is content now owned by the website so that the site will come up in organic search results boosting BP's search rankings.