BigViffer

Nope. You just had major surgery. 80% of your stomach is now gone. You are going to have reduced sensation, numbness, and just generally weird feelings. Eggs are a maybe, but I cannot believe your surgeon cleared you for chicken already. I don't know what diet your surgeon prescribed, but follow it to the letter. Do not deviate from it, do not "listen to your body" or "test" your new tummy. You risk infection, a bleed, or far more serious, death.

http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/everything-you-know-about-fitness-is-a-lie-20120504 A friend sent me this older article and I read it to be polite. Turned out to be a very good one! The one part that resonated the most with me was this little excerpt: Summed it up nicely for me. I don't go to the gym anymore because I want to look better in a shirt, it's become far more personal. All in all, I'd say it's a good read. Give a glance before your next trip to the gym and the weight machines.

That's not too much protein. Too many calories turns to fat; whether it comes from carbs, fat, or protein. If you are getting 150 grams of protein, you are doing well. Unless you are eating 3000 calories to hit that much protein, then that would be bad. 2000 calories and 150 grams of protein is my average day.

How much is too much? How do you know you are getting too much? Are you tracking? Are your blood panels coming back skewed? Is there protein in your urine? Details are kind of important.

@OutsideMatchInside pretty much hit all facts for me. As I said in my post, correctly formed sleeve, fundus removed, no stretch. Healed sleeve is more pliable than a fresh scar tissue sleeve. Add to that surgeons speaking lay terms to people and it perpetuates a myth. Honestly, it means nothing to me what anyone else believes or does. If someone wants to believe they can stretch their sleeve back out into a normal sized stomach, it affects me not at all. However; I only notice the people who are failing at post op life talking about stretched sleeves/pouches.

Don't really care about the rest of the rant, but this needed to be addressed (yet again). Depending on the surgery, the stretchy part of of the stomach (the fundus) is removed (sleeve) or bypassed (bypass). Therefore it is not possible to stretch the stomach again. However! Once the scar tissue has fully healed, the stomach that remains does regain some pliability. I would liken it to a garden hose in the winter versus the same hose in the summer. On a properly performed surgery, when people say that their stomach has stretched, most likely what has happened is that the pylorus (for sleeves) or the created opening to the intestine (bypass) has been weakened and/or stretched and food can move from the stomach or pouch into the intestine quicker allowing for more food to be consumed. To make the myth worse is the fact that doctors/surgeons will put the above into "laymans terms" for their patients. Thus perpetuating the belief that you can stretch your sleeve by eating poorly or too much or drinking carbonated beverages.

The problem with that though is that many times these personal trainers have gone through maybe a week long certification. Not on fitness or anatomy, but on machine use. It's not just the leg extensions that many trainers teach and recommend, but several other exercises that are flat out wrong. Lat pull downs that go behind the head? Pec station with the stops beyond the plane of the back? Preacher curl machine? All of these are terrible for the shoulder and they are almost universally recommended by trainers in the fast food of gym's. (Planet Fitness, Gold's, etc...) A sports medicine physical therapist would be the best choice for those just getting into the sport. I should have mentioned them earlier. They are a little different than a normal physical therapist.

Not a fan of personal trainers. They are quick to show you the latest fad to get razor abs or muscle gainzzz! Or maybe the newest sport drank even. You are their customer, and an educated lifter is a customer lost. A coach is different as is a physical therapist. Their reputation is on the line for teaching things right. Bad thing about physical therapist is that they want to play it safe in the extreme. Problem with coaches is that they are insensitive to your personal challenges. lol, kind of a pick your poison situation.

It's not a tradional pyramid, no. You have the drecreasing rep but not the increasing weight. So you are still only working on endurance. Again, if that is what you are wanting, it's fine. But you could make more strength gains by lowering your sets and reps and raising your weight. And more importantly, don't use the leg extension machine. Ever. For any reason. Don't even look at it. If you want to work your legs, start squatting. That's the last I'll preach on it, promise.

OK, I am just getting some time to get back to this post. The routine you are describing is called a pyramid. I’ll quote the venerable Mark Rippetoe on this: In this case, Coach Rippetoe is describing a traditional pyramid routine. Traditionally starting with a lower weight and higher reps then moving up in weight and down in reps believing you are going to hit a 1 rep max (1RM) lift. As he points out though, this routine does not enable you to make strength gains at the 1RM level. This trains the body for endurance. If this is what you are shooting for, by all means continue. However, if you are trying to gain strength, you need to focus on higher weights for lower reps. Once again from coach Rippetoe: There is a picture associated with that last blurb, but it is in my book and I cannot put it in here. He describes it very well though. Now, to address the leg extension machine. There are so many articles about why it is bad that I just went with the first result on my search: https://www.t-nation.com/training/truth-about-leg-extensions Here is the summary without a lot of the medical jargon in the article. Don’t get me wrong, it is important that you read that article to fully understand the damage that hellspawn “exercise” machine does to knees.

Man... I hate to tell you this, but there is so much wrong with your routine it literally caused me to wince. Not because you are stupid or anything, but it reminded me of my earliest days of lifting. I'm on my phone right now and this post deserves a worthy reply. I will gather the info tomorrow and post again. On on the off chance I cannot post tomorrow, immediately stop doing the leg extensions! Those damn machines should be banned and the manufacturers sued into oblivion for destroying knees. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

Literally one of the most commonly asked questions on the forum: https://www.bariatricpal.com/search/?&q=TMI&search_in=titles Just searching "TMI" in the titles only will give you 481 results. "Constipation" will give you 467. The search tool is better now than it used to be. To answer your question, it's not abnormal. It's pretty common. If you don't have a BM after a week, start with the laxatives/stool softeners. And talk to your Dr.

Here you go Kelly, I'll save you some time on your next list post: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists Just pick one at random, copy and paste here.

Are you just browsing the internet for stereotypical weight loss tips and list? Your post is literally a copy/paste: http://ezinearticles.com/?Tips-on-Faster-Weight-Loss---Loss-Weight-Faster&id=777705 https://training.fitness.com/showthread.php?t=79094&s=a70d5c556dbc549eb9e1b016cef2e8b0&p=474509#post474509 You've proven you're not a bot, but I am still trying to figure out why you are on a WLS forum.

The trick to mixing protein powders that have a tendency to clump is to think of gravy. Add your powder to a small cup and add a little water and stir. Add a little more water and stir some more. It should be a thick batter. Continue thinning it with water or milk until there are no lumps and then add that to your soups or whatever. As for peanut butter, as always - refer to your post-op diet papers or call your surgeon. Never trust strangers on the internet with your health.

A favorite quote of mine is, "The problem with Slimfast shakes is that they go so well with cookies." This is going to be a long time recurring issue. And it just never seems to get less annoying to me either.

You are correct. 2000-2500 is my average. My surgeon said I could go as high as 3500, but I just can't eat that much. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

The smell is more common of an issue with bypass because of the amount of food that is not fully digested. Same reason BM's are so foul. As for the amount of gas, the best thing to do is lots of walking and slow methodical chewing when eating. The less air you swallow, the better.

Quest bars used to be very popular on this forum. Then about a year and half ago they changed their recipe and are now using a lot of corn based filler. Some people noted the taste was different. We don't keep them in my house because they are more expensive and my wife has a corn allergy.

Well, I need fuel for the workout and raw materials on recovery days. If you are lifting 5 rep max weights, I'd go every day same calorie goal. If you are still losing rapidly, workout day. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

@GrrlAnn - Here is an excerpt from my log: I usually range from 2000 to 2500-ish. That's just my summary page, the rest are there: Yes, I take this shit serious. And I'm a data nerd.

Actually, your routine sounds like a pretty good one at your stage. You are hungry because your body is screaming for raw materials to start building. 1200 calories is too low for that much activity. I would add that you shouldn't fear fat, juust avoid the crappy kind. Milk, cheese, yogurt, etc... are good ideas if you are weightlifting. Not only does it have natures perfect blend of fat/carbs/protein, milk has naturally occuring growth hormone for, you know, growing muscles! Personally, I think you should be in the 1500-1800 calorie range. And eventually when/if your lifting gets to the 100+ lbs major lifts, you will be in the 2000-2500 range. My surgeon reviewed my diet logs and lifting diary and said he thinks I should go to 3500 and I told him it just wasn't possible. He's a lifter, so I think he was thinking with that part of his brain instead of the former fat guy just wants to be healthy!

It is completely normal to be tired, lose energy, and just be downright exhausted the first several months post op. Add to that exercise and your ass will be wiping out your tracks. I remember many times falling asleep in my chair at home by 7pm. Right now, your reduced caloric intake is literally being expended just to cover your routine activity. Anything above that is the calorie deficit that gives us the honeymoon phase of weightloss. This is why it is so difficult to build muscle early on. Now, if you are going to be working out (especially if with high intensity) you are going to need carbs. It's just that simple. I know it goes against the bariatric diet mantra of protein first, but it's the truth. It is also why I don't recommend high intensity workouts so soon after surgery. I can eat a half cup of oats 20 minutes before lifting because I know from experience that I am going to hit my 150-200 gram protein goal. But if you are still spotty on hitting that goal, you may not want to risk it. Learn to love grilled or baked fish. Tuna packets are great sources too, but you should only have about 5 oz of tuna a week because of the mercury content. Most fish is basically pure protein. Oats and shredded wheat are good grains for carbs. Basically eat out of necessity and not for flavor and variety. That comes much later. As for my fluid intake recommendation, if you are awake and it has been 30 minutes since you've eaten, you should be sipping some water. Never pop, diet or otherwise. Again, MY RECCOMMENDATION, anyone else can do whatever they want.

I'm not sure how to answer or what exactly you are asking. Are you not hitting the protein goal or do you need more energy for the workout?

You are already being supportive, this is all on him. If he is causing fights I would ask him point blank, is that stupid bite of food worth the fight? Does it really mean more to you than the health of the family?