Brand new here and really angered by...

[ohpuhleez 0]

all of the Yes on 8 banners on this site.

The propaganda on the Yes side, not to mention the money pouring into this from out of state (remember when conservative Republicans stood for the rights of states to make their own decisions???) is disgusting.

No on 8 - it's the only way to go if you are a strict constructionist who believes the Constitution should stay...

[Daisalana 33]

What are you talking about? I haven't seen any banners about the No. 8.. (Gay marriage thing, right?)

[plain 12]

No on 8 - it's the only way to go if you are a strict constructionist who believes the Constitution should stay...

Huh?? Whatyoutalkingabout?? Which part of the constitution says marriage is a right?

[Froggi 4]

Only ads I've been seeing is the mccain palin ads against Obama.

[ohpuhleez 0]

None - that's exactly what I'm talking about. Those who support the constitution of the state should NOT support Proposition 8, as it aims to change the constitution. Regardless of how they feel about marriage, if they are TRUE conservatives, they should not support changing the constitution. Yes on 8 means yes, we should change the state constitution.

I'm seeing the Yes on 8 banners all over this site - connecting my children's education to protecting marriage - it's a farce and lie and it's ridiculous.

[plain 12]

None - that's exactly what I'm talking about. Those who support the constitution of the state should NOT support Proposition 8, as it aims to change the constitution. Regardless of how they feel about marriage, if they are TRUE conservatives, they should not support changing the constitution. Yes on 8 means yes, we should change the state constitution.

I'm seeing the Yes on 8 banners all over this site - connecting my children's education to protecting marriage - it's a farce and lie and it's ridiculous.

Not my business, since I don't live in Cali, but I think true conservatives would want this settled on a state basis. Isn't that what this ballot is all about (I have no idea, though. Have the citizens of Cali already voted on gay marriage, or is this the first vote)??

[ReadySteadyGo 8]

What are you talking about? I haven't seen any banners about the No. 8.. (Gay marriage thing, right?)

I haven't seen the banners but...

Proposition 8 is something that a these mormons (that don't live in california) somehow sneaked on the presidential ballet to reverse the decision to allow Gay marriage in california. The thing is they are not just reversing the decision, they are changing the constitution of california to define marriage as being only between a man and a woman. They were basically ignored at first so it grew rapidly because noone believed it would fly in CA. Well they got Massive Massive donations from churches and business out of state and the movement spread. I do mean massive amounts of money.

They are using deceiving misleading tactics, and commercial ads. Signs that just say things such as

Proposition 8 = Free Speech

Protect your family vote yes on 8

Or the ones that do admit that it is about gay marriage insist that if gay marriage is allowed it will be taught in school. That churches who refuse to marry a gay couple will lose be sued or lose government funding, again, not true.

It's really sad. I have been watching it with horror. It is such a huge step backwards led by people who don't even live in the state.

[ReadySteadyGo 8]

Not my business, since I don't live in Cali, but I think true conservatives would want this settled on a state basis. Isn't that what this ballot is all about (I have no idea, though. Have the citizens of Cali already voted on gay marriage, or is this the first vote)??

They voted on gay marriage 8 years ago and it was voted against, but four judges overruled it. Public opinion has changed alot since then and now it is about 50/50. 8 years ago it was not.

I really don't mind the voting. It's the changing of the constitution that really gets me, because the reason it was overturned was "baning" marriage for anyone was found unconstitutional according to california's constitution...so now they want to change the constitution.

Honestly, for my interest. I would like a federal ban on federal bans against anyone getting married. But, since I don't want federal bans against anyone getting married I guess the government should GTFO of the marriage business or let it be determined by the state.

The thing is most of the money and even the movement where started by out of state interest groups. They focused on california because of the overturning so they want to scream oppression.

Straight, white, people screaming about oppression. My favorite.

[plain 12]

Straight, white, people screaming about oppression. My favorite.

Don't look at me. I'm Native American.

[ohpuhleez 0]

LOL, Plain - will you adopt THIS white girl :tongue:??

Seriously all of the above is true - it's totally crazy!

Oh, and my apologies to the board - read on another thread that the Yes on 8 banners are coming from Google Ad Sense...I think I'm now ESPECIALLY glad that my husband works at Yahoo!!!

[MacMadame 81]

Those ads are ALL OVER THE INTERNET. When I came here this morning and saw them all over here, I was SO UPSET and couldn't believe Alex would allow such a thing. But then I found out they are from Google and a lot of web sites were caught flat footed when they appeared.

It's still upsetting because the big, mostly out of state, push for Prop 8 is really about bigotry and depriving people of rights. But they can't say that because that just wouldn't fly in CA. So they've thrown out all these wild accusations trying to play on people's fears. I hope it backfires on them BIG TIME.

Oh and the one that has McCain on one side and Obama on the other is a Yes on 8 ad -- it's trying to imply that these guys both support 8 but Obama has specifically said he doesn't. So it's a lie.

The way I've always looked at it is, if you can't make your point without lying, then maybe you don't have one.

[MacMadame 81]

I forgot to say that I also think it's horrible that you can amend the constitution of CA with a simple majority and that whacko fringe groups are trying to push their views on other people by amending the constitution to include things that are not really constitutional.

Both Prop 4 and Prop 8 are about that, btw. Even if you agree with the sentiments behind them, these are not matters for our constitution.

[Daisalana 33]

That's weird, I still haven't seen them.

[*susan* 1,709]

I haven't either, Laura.

[MacMadame 81]

Maybe they only show up if your profile says you are from CA?

Because I'm looking at one right now!!