pouch reset

[mousecat88 2,279]

Is a pouch reset diet okay to do simply when you don't feel much restriction anymore, but aren't actually gaining any weight? Will it be helpful in any way to bring some feelings of restriction back? I'm finding I can fit a lot more in lately and I don't like it. lol. I was going to do a modified "pouch reset" of Protein Shakes and a hardboiled egg for 3 days, then purees 2 days, then soft solids for 2 days.

[FluffyChix 17,410]

Try it! Let us know! You're about "on schedule" for pouch healing which allows you to naturally be able to eat more. Which is why I've always been so militant that the "everything in moderation" is a lie for most of us--cuz soon 1 piece of pizza turns into 2 or 3.

Dr. Weiner has YT about it.

I do a Water fast for a day or two--or a Bone Broth fast. I'm starting one today as a matter of fact. I ate healthy foods this weekend, but way too big of servings. So now it feels like time to fast. My pouch always feels more sensitive after that fasting. I may add back Protein Drinks as the next stage.

So it would be 2 days Clear Liquids (broth, water, decaff black coffee, decaff teas).

2 days of Protein drinks + clear liquids

2 days of purees/mushies + protein drinks + clear liquids

2 days of softs + everything above

start adding back foods.

[mousecat88 2,279]

16 minutes ago, FluffyChix said:

So it would be 2 days Clear Liquids (broth, Water, decaff black coffee, decaff teas).

2 days of Protein drinks + clear liquids

2 days of purees/mushies + Protein drinks + clear liquids

2 days of softs + everything above

start adding back foods.

I was looking at that schedule and that's "basically" what I am doing except I HAVE to have some protein because of my exercise - I'll pass out and die otherwise. lmao. So, Protein Shakes in the beginning. Going to mess around with it this week and see how I feel!

I noticed I was able to eat an entire half can of pinto Beans mixed with a half can of zucchini last night without paying attention and I was like aaaaaaaaaaaa! The fullness is definitely disappearing. I want to restart and start being more conscious again of measuring, which I had stopped because I felt like I was eye-balling correctly (and I was for a while).

[FluffyChix 17,410]

18 minutes ago, mousecat88 said:

I was looking at that schedule and that's "basically" what I am doing except I HAVE to have some Protein because of my exercise - I'll pass out and die otherwise. lmao. So, Protein Shakes in the beginning. Going to mess around with it this week and see how I feel!

I noticed I was able to eat an entire half can of pinto Beans mixed with a half can of zucchini last night without paying attention and I was like aaaaaaaaaaaa! The fullness is definitely disappearing. I want to restart and start being more conscious again of measuring, which I had stopped because I felt like I was eye-balling correctly (and I was for a while).

Yeah, it's the insidious nature of "the beast." Right? You start making only tiny changes that maybe only amounts to 90cals per day. Think of that...there are studies that show the regain weight in normal obese individual who do a calorie restricted diet and exercise only have to change their diet to include 90 extra calories (about 4 bites of food), to have a regain. *smacks head*

So yeah, for me, since I know I will inadvertently or on purpose add those 4 extra bites...I have to weigh and measure. *sniff*

Yeah, def with the exercise you need that protein!!! Since I'm only walking--I think I will be ok on clears for 2 days. Plus it helps that I got hold of some bad veggies yesterday that made me hurt all night and contemplate the ER. So I think giving my bowels a break will actually be a good thing. I'll do Bone Broth for some of it so there will be collagen Proteins.

I think also, that you might try more dense Protein? I know I can eat a boat load of veggies, especially if they are well cooked (like canned zuccs). Dunno about Beans, cuz I can't handle the carbs in half a can, the most I do is probably an 1/8cup now and then?

But last night? I was able to eat about 5oz of dense meat: 2oz cod, 1.5oz sockeye salmon, 1.5oz grilled rare ribeye. 😯 I was horrified!

[KCgirl061 1,529]

16 minutes ago, FluffyChix said:

there are studies that show the regain weight in normal obese individual who do a calorie restricted diet and exercise only have to change their diet to include 90 extra calories (about 4 bites of food), to have a regain.

But I wonder how the mysterious metabolic reset plays into effect against this study.

Although I understand everyone is different and has to be diligent in their own way.

[FluffyChix 17,410]

10 minutes ago, KCgirl061 said:

But I wonder how the mysterious metabolic reset plays into effect against this study.

Although I understand everyone is different and has to be diligent in their own way.

I don't think these people (from my memory) were fasting or doing a metabolic reset. But I can tell you with me? If I overeat my macros I WILL gain weight and gain weight quickly...but maybe I'm just a very broken metabolism?

[mousecat88 2,279]

1 hour ago, FluffyChix said:

I think also, that you might try more dense Protein? I know I can eat a boat load of veggies, especially if they are well cooked (like canned zuccs). Dunno about Beans, cuz I can't handle the carbs in half a can, the most I do is probably an 1/8cup now and then?

But last night? I was able to eat about 5oz of dense meat: 2oz cod, 1.5oz sockeye salmon, 1.5oz grilled rare ribeye. 😯 I was horrified!

Oh, totally. I usually do eat denser Protein, but I have a TONNNN of canned veggies and was like "I have got to start going through some of these" so figured the Beans would be a bit of protein with the zucchini. I did NOT expect to be able to eat that much and was mindlessly munching. I usually eat about 3-4oz of dense protein at a time. SOMETIMES I have eaten up to 6, but like twice? I don't feel so terrible eating a lot of non-starchy veggies, but I hope that this "reset" helps with some of the restriction again so I can measure things out and not be hungry!

I've had one soy shake today so far (it's 1 here) and I am hungryyyy. Going to have a boiled egg for lunch and a shake in the afternoon. Been drinking a lot of Water and tea but unf.

Edited July 8, 2019 by mousecat88

[FluffyChix 17,410]

Can't wait to see how it helps you. Hope you will post your updates as you get them!! Are you on the Protein drinks today? And bahahahaaha on using up all the canned smushy veggies. I totes did that too! There were lots o Soup in the early days.

[mousecat88 2,279]

Yeah, I am going to have 2-3 Protein drinks today (soy protein isolate) and one hard-boiled egg for lunch. Possibly a yogurt in the evening. Going to do that for 3 days, then wean off the shakes to some purees.

[mousecat88 2,279]

Just some smooshy/liquid stuff right now so there's no fullness or stretching.

[FluffyChix 17,410]

4 minutes ago, mousecat88 said:

Just some smooshy/liquid stuff right now so there's no fullness or stretching.

Yeah, I think that's one of the criticisms of doing the pouch reset--that now days, Protein drinks provide little if any satiety.

You could always try using psyllium powder in them. I do that sometimes and it does fill me up. I make a banana joe from cocomo smoothie (frappacino) using Bananas and Cream Premier Protein + Decaff coffee + Ice + (sometimes cocoa powder extra dark) + 8g Now Psyllium Husks + liquid vanilla or chocolate stevia. Then I blend the crap out of it. It's almost like oatmeal lol. And very filling. But that kinda defeats the idea of the reset maybe?

[mousecat88 2,279]

Yesterday I had two hardboiled eggs, two Protein Shakes, and a yogurt. Down over a pound (although I'm sure that's Water weight, lol). So far today I've had one shake and one tiny egg white... thing. Planning on one more shake, another egg, and a yogurt.

[FluffyChix 17,410]

Wow! WTG! How's your satiety? Any new sense of "small pouch day?" Congrats on the pound! How much Protein do you think you got for the day?

[mousecat88 2,279]

21 hours ago, FluffyChix said:

Wow! WTG! How's your satiety? Any new sense of "small pouch day?" Congrats on the pound! How much Protein do you think you got for the day?

Down another pound! lol. I don't feel very hungry at all. Honestly I could stick to this indefinitely if I knew I didn't need to get some more carbs in, lol. My two Protein Shakes equal 50g of Protein + 14g of protein in 2 eggs + 24g of protein in a cup of cottage cheese (which is what I did yesterday) so... 98g! And virtually no carbs.

I definitely don't feel full or totally satisfied by the end of the day, but not uncomfortably hungry, either. And I had a very intense workout last night and felt completely fine.

[FluffyChix 17,410]

7 minutes ago, mousecat88 said:

Down another pound! lol. I don't feel very hungry at all. Honestly I could stick to this indefinitely if I knew I didn't need to get some more carbs in, lol. My two Protein Shakes equal 50g of Protein + 14g of Protein in 2 eggs + 24g of protein in a cup of cottage cheese (which is what I did yesterday) so... 98g! And virtually no carbs.

I definitely don't feel full or totally satisfied by the end of the day, but not uncomfortably hungry, either. And I had a very intense workout last night and felt completely fine.

Wow! That's awesome! I figure your lack of hunger is that you are in pretty deep ketosis (fat burning) state. Causes a huge decrease in hunger! And I also figure no satiety from the shakes. But do you feel a sense of "heaviness" that is new when you eat the hard boiled eggs or cottage cheese?

It's interesting, you know, my pouch has always felt like I had a larger capacity. But the 2 things guaranteed to make me feel like I have a "normal pouch" are hard boiled eggs (no seasoning--especially salt which blunts satiety and increases the pleasure hormones) and cottage cheese!

How much volume of cottage cheese are you eating per serving just out of curiousity? Do you feel fuller with it than before?

I'm on day 2 1/2 of clear liquids. I'll add in clear protein drinks tomorrow. On Sunday I was 138.8lbs and today I'm at 135.4lbs. I'm excited to only be 2lbs up from my posted lowest weight and feel like I'm finally on track to hit 130 and Goal #3. Hunger is manageable. Yesterday had a cup of HerbOx and a cup of Bone Broth with a tiny bit of butter and 2 sugar free popsicles.

Add to this my gut really needed to heal, since I think I got food poisoning from a bad grilled chicken salad or bad cucumber on Sunday and I've felt really miserable for the last 2 1/2days.

Only walking here...

Cudos to you and thanks for tracking all this! I have a theory that although a reset may not actually affect the physical size of the stomach, I think it may provide a hormonal switch/reset on your gut-brain axis and affect our perception of satiety.