BJean

I feel like I've waited my whole life to hear the speech that Obama gave tonight. I have renewed hope for our country and I am so proud to be an American!!! What an incredible and momentous event - absolutely the most exciting political event in my life. The promise of a better future for our children and a stronger and more unified America with this new President and Congress is thrilling. I was worried that McCain might let us down with his speech, but it was a really good unifying speech and I appreciated it very much. He did a great job.

Amen tbines!

You know if this thing goes that way - the way of fighting in the streets like we had in the 60s - I will hold John McCain personally responsible for conducting such a sleezy and rage inciting campaign.

Don't worry lilith, watcher, froggi and others... I voted very early for Senator Obama. Yes we can!!!

It's been interesting to me today. I've driven by several polling places and there are no lines, virtually no activity to be seen from the street. I'm not sure if that means that the Republicans are taking for granted that Texas is a done deal, or if it means that the Democrats are giving up and not voting because they think Texas is going Republican no matter what. Either way, it's a little unnerving. Maybe they're all just waiting until they get off work. Going to be interesting to see how my county voted. In my 'hood, nearly all you see are McCain signs in yards. It's kept me from putting an Obama sign in my yard. I wouldn't want the discrimination that would come my way because of a sign. That rather makes me a big chicken, doesn't it. :thumbup:

luluc if they can figure out who started a fire in California from a little pile of ashes, they should be able to figure out who erected a KKK sign in Dallas. I'm in Texas and that's a little too close to home for me. I'm white and I feel threatened by that. Like I posted last night about the intimidation and assaults on people in North Carolina, this is the kind of stuff we may be faced with today in America while we're trying to have a fair and honest election. We can't have a fair and honest election - the right wing terrorists in our own country just won't allow it. I should have said ignorant right wing terrorists. It's little more accurate. In several key states, there have already been people whose records have been messed with so that they are required to use a provisional ballot to vote. Provisional ballots won't be counted for days. This looks like it's going to not only be a long night, it might be a very long couple of weeks. I really hope that's not the case. As for the KKK, we need to bring back the stocks and put them in the middle of town so we can identify which people in our communities are irrational, idiotic wack jobs. After leaving them in the stocks for a few days, then we need to put them in jail and not allow them to make a living, bar their children from our schools, and let their wives scrub our floors for about 10 years. All that just so they can learn a few things from personal experience. Aw Beth, don't freak out, it's a joke.

Rush Limbaugh should be hung out to dry.

Babyg I am shocked that a babygirl like you would pull that crap. Shame, shame, shame. Next thing we know you'll be tellin' us you use the eff word. What's this world coming to? Seriously I am sorry that you have such misgivings about Senator Obama. I have moments when I come to the realization that he could be pulling the wool over our eyes, but then I have been around so long I think I am a pretty good judge of character. I trust my instincts. I feel certain that the man has a good heart and a real passion for making this country better. God Bless America! The day has finally arrived. Thank the good Lord for that. It will soon be over and we the people can finally move toward unity and peace.

Did the Redskins win?

Did you all read about the time McCain called Cindy the "C" word in front of some of the press corps? Yep. It's been verified by several reporters who were present at the time. And when asked directly about the incident by some press members afterwards, he didn't deny it and just left the area. Then later when pressed on it again, he said everybody gets mad sometimes. As I understand it what happened was: Cindy was smoothing McCain's hair down on top and said, John looks like you're getting a little thin on top. He said well at least I don't wear a ton of makeup like a trollop, you C**t. I don't blame you for denying he's your favorite candidate, gadget. But if our current Democratic presidential candidate doesn't know how to properly flip someone the bird, I'm a monkey's uncle. How did gadget get to be such an expert on the fine art of bird flipping? After seeing the video, I had to ask someone about the accusation that Senator Obama is giving some people the finger when it looked to me like he inadvertently scratches his cheek. She said that you can give the finger surrepticiously by putting that particular finger up like you're clearing your eye of debris. But she'd never heard of the the bird flipping cheek maneuver. Last night I was watching Senator Obama's speech after he'd been introduced by Bruce Springsteen. You know, the same Bruce Springsteen that wrote and sang, Born In The USA! Anyway right as he began his talk, Senator Obama did scratch his nose - several times in succession - almost like he had something there bothering him. But now that I'm in on the campaign hand signal language, I'm sure he must have been telling Mr. Springsteen that his music stank. Am I right about this people? Ya'll shouldn't really let something like this get under your skin. We all know how typical it is of the Nixonian legacy - win at any cost, the dirtier campaign, the better. Winning on the issues is impossible, so sling everything you can and eventually something will stick. A more serious concern is what they were talking about tonight on CNN. At a polling place in North Carolina, a group of rednecks showed up in a group and verbally attacked and threatened the people standing in line to cast their votes. The voters were Democrats. Thirty of those waiting voter's car tires were slashed. If this is what we can expect from the radical extreme right wing mavericks tomorrow, we better do all we can to spend some time at the polling places helping to protect innocent voters. Looks like the 911 emergency hot line is going to have a busy day.

Wholly frioles watcher. I've been relying on the common-taters for all my polling info. Your info is very easy to interpret. No guesswork involved in trying to add it all up into something we can trust. But I'll still believe it when I see it. I've been hoodwinked by the polls too many times in the past. Beth I obviously got you confused with some other right winger who claimed to be a Libertarian. Sorry, my bad. You're wrong about me only listening to rants about McCain. Would that it were true. :thumbup:

losing: I feel the same way! I can imagine someone who has political aspirations having Senator Obama as a hero.

aricus, you shouldn't be surprised that people find Senator Obama to be their hero. Millions of people believe that he has accomplished amazing things in his lifetime. And there's really no accounting for who people make their hero - take Joe Plumber for example - McCain's made him out to be some kind of hero in this campaign. And look at his Vice Presidential candidate, the hero worship of her has been a real head-scratcher to some of us. Watcher: The polls you're looking at aren't the only polls going on. Some of them indicate a far tighter race. I am hoping for an Obama landslide, but there are many components that are in play that can turn this race inside out. We need to brace for that. We need to be prepared to have a long wait and a long struggle for the truth if the Republicans pull the voting fraud that they have gotten away with in the past. My guess is they will have thought up something entirely new to wreak havoc on election day and subsequently steal the race On the other hand if the the way they have conducted this campaign is an indication of their scatterbrained organizational skills, counting your eggs or your chickens might not be such a stretch.

You're absolutely right gadget. I do not know your inner thoughts. I only know what you post. Your words have a very strong theme (admittedly as do mine). Sometimes I think you are surprised at how transparent your words seem to others. And it's often been noted that the written word can be misinterpreted. Like has been said before by so many people, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. Or as we've heard in this race so often (by both candidates), you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

What is disturbing is that it came up at all. And I am certainly not the one who brought it up. You didn't bring it up because you thought that if Senator Obama has some Arab blood it is just an interesting little tidbit, like he grew up with his grandparents, or his mother died young. You brought it up because it allowed you to claim that he is an Arab. Under the circumstances of our Middle East involvement, you know, just like that little bushy haired lady at the McCain rally, that it is a scary thought that an actual Arab might be running for president here in America. I don't buy your claim that you brought it up because it had to do with how mistaken people are for calling him an African American. In fact I hope you didn't really expect anyone to believe that hogwash. Truth is, it was done for the same reason they brought up the robust exaggeration of Senator Obama's relationship with a man who is a Palestinian sympathizer. They've brought that up because they are sure that people who support Israel in this country would find that distasteful. But it backfired. Just like so many of the dirty tricks that Republicans have pulled this time. Turns out that McCain's been involved with the same man - and was even involved with William Ayres in making a $400,000 contribution to that scary man's Palestinian research. Makes you wonder if McCain doesn't have some Arab blood coursing through his veins. As I've said before, I don't know who in McCain's camp is responsible for all the misinformation and lies, but it's almost like they are working for the other party - because most of it has turned out to be blatant lies or things that McCain himself has done. And I believe that it has mostly hurt McCain's chances. At least with people who are not extremists, and who seriously want the kinds of change that Senator Obama represents.

Ok Susan. I for one, get the message.

Beth you keep saying you don't like either one but you only denigrate Seantor Obama. I don't recall your railing on about Senator McCain. I'm sure you said something early on in an effort to convince someone that you are a true middle of the roader, what did you say, Libertarian? Hardly middle of the road. gadget you speak ridiculousness. I didn't change the subject. I expanded on your chosen topic. What's the matter, can't come up with the ethnic backgrounds of anyone else running for office? I'm just sayin's all. april I think you may have hit the proverbial nail on the head in your use of the word, poser. I think I could abide some of the extremism I've encountered here if people would just admit why they say the things they say - why they toss out words like socialism, genetic background, Arab, socialism, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And they want us to think that it has nothing to do with race when they both bring that into the discussion. Who they, bigoted? Of course the color of a person's skin has nothing to do with anything..... yeah, right. Jack, I've been the lone ranger here for at least a couple of days. I didn't accuse anyone of attacking me for just stating their political views. But guys, I didn't mean to kill the buzz. It was getting very humorous and I am glad!!! It's gotten way too intense and although it allowed for some spleen venting, and some really nutty links, it was getting way too repetitive. How many ways can you explain what socialism really means? I have a feeling that if Webster came up out of his grave and defined socialism for the Republicans, they STILL wouldn't stop misusing it.

The race train, eh. This just keeps getting better and better.

No doubt about it froggi. We can all hope though that the election is won by a wide margin, whoever wins it, so that the elected person will have a clear mandate about what Amerians think is the right path for this nation.

Written by a black man.... now isn't that just a magnificent observation. It's one man's opinion and I'm sure you agree that it is a perfect definition of the character of Senator Obama if you're a desperate Republican.

aa: sorry I misinterpreted your post. I'm so used to everybody attacking me, I find myself always on the defense. Except for green - she's very good at not attacking people. And her definition of socialism is exactly what I was taught in school. It is for that reason that the constant use of the word by Republicans is so irritating. You can't bastardize a word like socialism and expect people to agree with your use of it. Carry on aa, you're doing much better than I did when exchanging viewpoints with Beth.

aa: What's a poser? Your explanation is kinda weird. You're monitoring people's posts? Oh my what's that about? Not that you asked, but just so's you'll know... I have had my band for 2 years. For over 2 years I have read and posted about the good and bad, the problems and successes of trying to get and having a Lap Band. Personally I have reached a point where my band and I are one with the universe. Umkay? Here's my post to you regarding the Lap Band: Congratulations on your 21 lb. weight loss! Keep up the good work! Feel all better now?

Have you researched Senator McCain's ethnic background? What about Sarah Palin's and Joe Biden's? I'm sure if you've researched theirs, it will take you no time to come up with the sources and links.

Beth it is nice to see you admit that you do see things in this political thread as black and white. I thought it was obvious and it's good that you came out with it. I don't hate her because she's beautiful. :cool2: As I said before, I don't hate her at all. I am incredulous every time she opens her mouth. And as a woman, I think she's set us back about 50 years. Ok gadget now I get it. Your source is quite revealing! I hope everyone reading it understands the magnitude and gravity of what you have posted. And by the way, does that mean that you call Senator Obama an African-Arab-American? Or is it Arab-African-American? For your purposes, I'm pretty sure you'll be happy to just keep it at Arab, pure and simple Is this enlightenment as to Senator Obama's ethnic mix revealed so that it falls into the kind of segregation lines that were accepted as legal in the south (and probably still in a couple of places) that any person with a drop of African blood in him/her makes them a Negro according to law? So as you have explained it by your post, anyone with a drop of Arab blood makes him/her an Arab. I see. And I also see the need to dissect the derivitive of his/her name to underscore the claim. Makes perfect sense. Hmmm. For what purpose did the white folks make laws like that? And what is the purpose of someone pointing out that because Senator Obama's Kenya, South African, father is a decendant from someone who was Arab, that Senator Obama is Arab? What is the reasoning behind you or anyone calling Senator Obama an Arab? Good grief, I thought you'd be thrilled enough just to be able to call him black, African-American, or fill in the blank. We sure appreciate you calling our attention to this worthwhile research. Makes me want to read everything you post because I am sure you only post valid and fair links and quotes. Deep thoughts. Gotta love 'em.

As we've said before Beth, dirty campaign politics is in the eye of the beholder. I've never heard any of the rehtoric that you've posted above. And I've been involved in politics all my life. I believe that you are interpretating certain statements to mean what you've posted. Like the Bush one about the draft. Which brings up a good point. Bush interestingly enough, did not reinstate the draft although it seemed like he might have to. Instead he turned our National Guard into regular military and he changed the rule of no back to back combat tours of duty, to making them fight in Iraq as long as he decides they are needed to keep his and McCain's and Cheney's sham of a war going. And Republican supporters say that the military knew what they were getting into when they signed up, so it's fine and dandy. You talk about sad. That is not only sad, it is unfair and has put our position of having a good defense in jeopardy. And btw Beth I will believe that Senator Obama is an Arab when there is valid proof. I don't care in what form it is presented. But it has to be valid proof.