anonemouse

OMG! I seriously just snorted Water through my nose! :thumbup: I honestly couldn't figure out if that person was just really odd or high on something really, really good. :confused2:

I think the safest thing to do, by far, is to avoid talking about bodies in negative terms, whether it's a larger BMI or a smaller BMI, whether you're talking about yourself or other people. Regardless of their size, people will get understandably offended if someone says a certain BMI is "bony" or "unattractive" or "gross," even if they're talking in relation to just themselves.

The only problems I have with places like Target and Walmart is that it's sometimes hard to get clothes that fit right. I need petite-length pants, and they can be rather difficult to find there. Plus, a lot of the shirts don't fit me right, for some reason. Either they've got those surplice-style fronts that cross over your breasts (NEVER hit me in the right spot) or the arms are too long or too short.

I'm bad. I haven't actually finished mine yet. I have one more thing left to do. I need to go to my bank and see how much interest I earned last year, and then I can file. Next year? Gonna do them as soon as I get my forms in the mail, before I can lose the damned things like I do every other year. Of course, I said that LAST year, too, LMAO!

Yes!!!!!!!!

I'd kill for a Jetson's car!

Definitely. Take Chickie, for example. One of the reasons she may be so sensitive is that she's had to make her blog private several times because people from LBT would go and make anonymous comments in it, attacking her for being thin. Mean attacks, too (as if an attack can be anything but mean, but you get the drift). There's definitely a sort of attitude change here among some people when a member hits goal and tries to stick around and give advice. Several of the at-goal members have said that they get treated differently, that people (usually newer members) make comments about how they're at goal and really don't know what it's like, etc., as if they have forgotten. It really gets quite vicious.

They don't make very much profit at all. There have been several smaller airlines that have folded in the last few weeks, in fact. Between fuel prices, employee benefits/wages, etc., the airlines aren't doing so well.

See, there's the problem. Larger seats means fewer seats. Fewer seats means fewer passengers per plane. Fewer passengers per plane means that seat prices jump tremendously, making them even more outrageous. So the way I see it is this: People can either be uncomfortable in an expensive, narrow seat, or they can be comfortable in a very expensive, wider seat. Of course, if they widen the seats, people will bitch about how much higher prices went. There is no winning there.

And the alternate needs to be said, too: Demeaning others because they are now "thin" and you are "obese" is not something that should be done here either.

I'm not to fond of the new main page, myself. The sublists won't stay collapsed if I refresh the page, and I really liked being able to see the newest post in each forum, like the old layout showed. I think the new layout could be good with a few tweaks, but so far, I'm not thrilled. It's a little too busy for me.

Probably. Be very, very glad. The poster went off on me when I asked her to elaborate her posts. We're talking pissed, saying something along the lines of "you think you're so much better than me," blah, blah, blah. And I was just sitting here thinking, "Chill! I'm not after you for the way you post or the incorrect grammar you're using, but because I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY! You're trying to debate and shit, but your statements do not make any actual sense in any time/space dimension whatsoever!" I seriously just started skipping her posts after that. After all, in RnR, if people can't understand what you're trying to say, you aren't actually adding anything to the debate/conversation.

Yep. Same here. If something looks like it's going to give me a headache to try to decipher, I skip it entirely. And yes, I've actually gotten headaches from trying to read people's posts before. The posts that I think most of us are referring to are not the ones where there's a few misspelled words or a single missing period or misplaced comma or apostrophe. Rather, they're the ones that are 4-5 inches long or longer without a single punctuation point or capitalized word, the ones where words are mangled so badly you can't even begin to know what it said. Or, my personal pet peeve, the friggin' haiku posts made several months ago that I couldn't decipher. (Those were actually the straw that broke the camel's back, in my case. I started skipping posts that day. I was literally staring at one of those posts and thinking, "WTF?!")

Good suggestions, ladies!

Of course, BMI can be inaccurate in certain cases. No one has ever said it wasn't. And of course, there are other ways to determine if someone is truly overweight. Take body-fat percentage, for example. I believe even Jachut has said that her body fat percentage is still about 30% (I think she said that, anyway. Feel free to slap me, Jachut, if I'm wrong.), which is still higher than recommended, and she's the first to admit that. And Jachut looks GREAT and does extensive cardio workouts. And if someone who is at a healthy BMI can still have a body-fat percentage that is a tad higher than the target range, how high do you think someone's body-fat percentage is who is still considered "overweight" by their BMI? And I'm talking about the average person on this site, not bodybuilders or anything. For the average person, BMI is still going to be a pretty good tool. Of course, people need to look at other aspects of their weight, in addition to their BMI, such as where they carry their fat. But I'd wager a guess that many people (barring weight-lifters and such, of course) with an "overweight" BMI are most likely going to show a higher risk with the other measurements, as well.

I hate to get in the middle again, but quite frankly, there HAVE been people sticking words in both Chickie's and Jachut's mouths. They've never said that a person with a BMI of 28 is guaranteed to be unhealthy. The simple fact is, though, that there is a "healthy" or "normal" BMI range, and that then indicates that any BMI that is not in that range CAN be referred to as "unhealthy," whether it is a BMI of 17 or a BMI of 28. Right now, I have an unhealthy BMI. I may not show any signs of weight-related conditions right now, and I am definitely healthier than I was when I was at my heaviest, but there is still no way I can deny that I am at a much greater risk of getting a weight-related condition than a person with a BMI of 23. That's plain, hard fact. If I decide that I'm happiest with a BMI of 28 when I get there, it's STILL an unhealthy BMI, and I'll fully own up to that. People can say all they want to that they're "going to be perfectly healthy with a BMI of 28 or 29." Well, they don't know that. They can't know that until they get to that BMI. And even if they are perfectly healthy when they reach that goal, they're still at a greater risk of weight-related health problems than someone of a lower weight. Chickie and Jachut have never gone after someone to lose more weight. If you've ever read Chickie's blog, she's come right out and stated several times that she doesn't give a flying you-know-what what another person weighs. People refusing to see reality is what gets to her, Jachut, and yes, even me. And quite frankly, it's been quite obvious to more than a few of us that even though Chickie may have been the only one to come right out and offend some people, there have been hidden insults thrown, insults that were meant to offend. For example, I bet it would be extremely offensive to more than a few people here if Chickie suddenly started gaining weight and made posts about how she's "unattractive" or "disgusting" if she still has a BMI of 24. It's basically implying that anyone with that same BMI or higher would be just as ugly. So I don't see why everyone can't see why people are getting offended when they're saying what they are.

Yay!!!!!!!

I'm having to buy more new clothes, since I'm starting another part-time job (my 3rd one) tomorrow. I'm also hoping to get one that I interviewed for last week. And of course, I'm pretty darn broke right now. Went to Kohl's a couple of days ago and got a couple of pairs of khakis and a hoodie. I went and took them back today because I decided that I didn't really like them that much. Of course, while I was there, I picked up a pair of khakis (size 12 with no elastic!) that were made by a different brand, some dress socks, a new smaller nightshirt, and four bras (they were about 1/3 off) in a new size. Even though I've been trying to just get a piece or two of new clothing at a time, it's still getting expensive. So now, even though I took back the $80+ worth of stuff I'd gotten previously, I spent $150 to make up for it! :smile2: And if I get part time job #4, I get to go get MORE new clothes (YAY! and BOO! at the same time), because Dressbarn has a "business casual" employee dress code, and I have ONE "business casual" shirt and only two pairs of appropriate pants.

I hate to weigh in on this (no pun intended) and get in the middle, but I have never, ever seen Chickie tell someone that they needed to lose more weight. And I usually lurk in those threads, if not actively post in them. I have seen her (and several other people, too) make the point that a person with an "overweight" BMI is likely to have more weight-related health problems than is a person with a "healthy" BMI. And she's right. That's why, all other things being equal (smoking status, family history, etc.), a person with a BMI of 28 or 29 is going to pay a higher insurance premium than a person with a BMI of 23. But, again, she's ALWAYS said that people can choose whatever goal weight they want to, and that she's happy as long as they are happy and not thinking that there isn't any health risk to remaining overweight. To my knowledge, she's NEVER insisted that other people need to lose more weight. Has she ever said that people might be healthier at a lower weight? Sure. But she's never insisted that they lose more than they want to lose. Quite frankly, I think there's been badly phrased comments on BOTH sides of the issue, by more than one person. The fact is, yes, Grace was insulting. I don't think she necessarily MEANT to be, but she was, regardless. I mean, I can see why Chickie and Jachut were insulted, and I don't even have a "normal" BMI.

No, there is no law, but why should the airline basically either give away a seat or make the person sitting immediately beside an extremely fat person literally share their seat? If someone takes up more than one seat, they should have to pay for more than one seat. The airlines may make their extremely large customers unhappy with this policy, and may well lose their business, but I'd wager to guess that normal-sized fliers are a heck of a lot more likely to be repeat customers if they aren't being forced to share a seat, when they paid for an entire seat of their own. And honestly, if the airlines changed the layouts of their planes and offered fewer wider seats instead of many narrow seats, people would still be unhappy with them, since that would mean that seat prices would skyrocket. My opinion is this: If a flight isn't full, seat very large fliers in areas where they won't have to sit immediately next to anyone. If the flight is full, either make them buy a second seat (even though it might bump someone off the flight), or give massive discounts to the people sitting immediately to the sides of them.

Ha! Awesome! I have to say, though, that I kinda find it to be a compliment when people tell me that they didn't realize I was THAT overweight when they find out that I've lost almost 60 pounds and have about 40 to go. It makes me feel a little better about how I used to look, if that makes sense. :biggrin:

I understand that it was embarassing for her, but he actually seemed to be fairly sensitive in the way he was asking the questions. He didn't go up to her and loudly say, "Yo, fattie! You're gonna need to buy another ticket." An airline is a business, after all, and they have to make their policies based on what makes them the most money and what makes their customers happy. If they don't, their customers won't come back. And they likely see the whole extra seat situation as sacrificing one customers happiness for the satisfaction of the two customers that'd be sitting next to him/her. They may lose one customer, but they'd keep the other two.

Nina! Good to see you back!

No kids here yet (hopefully, never), but I see nothing wrong with a carrying the kid in a car seat, as long as the kid isn't in in all the time at home, too. IMO, it's an invention that was created to make a parent's life a little easier and more manageable, just like the lap-band was created to make weight-loss a tad easier and more doable. Doesn't make it less appropriate or more "wrong" than doing it the hard way, IMO.

I have to be very careful with anything that has a skin that's difficult to chew into small pieces, like apples, cherries, grapes, etc. If they've been peeled or cut into very small pieces, they go down with no problems.