jess9395

Tons of people love premiere Protein, I can’t stand it. If you find you can’t either, my favorites are Quest (esp cinnamon crunch and the new coffee) and Syntrax Matrix (esp Peanut Butter cookie)

Can’t let those things in my house. They are my kryptonite.

I wonder if the responses will vary according to our own perceptions as to whether we have control of the outcome of events in our lives.
Those who perceive they have little control in the outcome may say luck or skill of the surgeon, whereas those who feel they have control in the outcome would say it diet, exercise or their will to succeed (assuming it was strong). Then there are those who straddle both sides.
Some of the factors I would consider important are mental health which could go hand in hand with emotional stability, diet and supportive family/home environment.
Stable mental health, emotional stability and supportive family/home environment would hopefully help support a lifestyle (ncluding diet) conducive to weight loss and then long term maintenance.

Sadly she reached goal and left with an announcement that basically said those of us who were at goal and didn’t leave have no life. Ah well!

Thanks for finding and posting that. If anything these researchers receive funding from pharmaceutical companies so it would be AGAINST their interests to find benefit from artificial sweeteners. This is why the have to disclose funding sources and interests in scholarly articles, so these results are really interning!.

Plenty of us who eat that way aren’t retainers either though. It’s not a road that’s doomed to fail.

I think as we study and learn more we will be able to tell by your genes who will do well on what diet. But we are still in the dark ages.

There isn’t any one size fits all. I did the high carb low fat diets in the 90’s and those always ended in me falling off the wagon and regaining. I was quite strict on the low carb train till I got to goal. I’m still pretty low carb but I don’t stress about them a bit here and there.

I’m five year out and it works just great for me.

I know your plan is working for you (so far). Can’t we just all realize that there is no one size fits all answer? I know you’re certain your plan will be the answer for you. And time will tell, but since I think a big part of this is mental, I think it will.

But you make it sound like being a “carb nazi” means you’re doomed to fail.

I didn’t.  It’s not a stop gap measure for me.  It’s a lifestyle change and it works just fine. 

The three week stall is sorta infamous seems like that’s where you are.

I will say this... what worked FOR ME was staying very strict until I had changed my habits, my tastes and my gut bacteria. At that point I could aim for balance. But at that point I could have half a cookie or a few French fries without wanting the whole thing or bag. I also never felt deprived when I was strict. And I’m still pretty strict mostly because I don’t care so much... I really don’t care if I have bread or Pasta or whatever. So for me that IS balance. If I don’t care, why add it in? Balance means different things to different people.

However I think it would have been a huge mistake (again, FOR ME) to attempt “balance” too early out. I needed to relearn and retrain n myself.

Here is a link to the article http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0199244
It lists the authors and their competing interests as well as what organisations funded the research.

We went out to Breakfast for my mother in law’s birthday this am. I did what I often do at restaurants and just got an extra plate and people shared with me. Half a scrambled egg... quarter of a slice whole wheat toast, a bite of hash browns and smoked tri tip (the piece was maybe 2-3oz... this place has incredible smoked tri tip). You can see I are maybe a third of the carb servings and 2/3 of the Protein.< br />
This time my 15 year old didn’t finish it though because he had a HUGE breakfast burrito that he couldn’t even finish.

Taco on egg white “tortilla” yum! I ate the whole thing.

Strawberries yes! Sliced and slightly smashed and tossed and keep in a container in the fridge with the balsamic and swerve!

It’s interesting to think about! As a whole are we more successful because we seek out more information, are more committed and more knowledgeable? Are we less successful because as a whole because we spend more time on our computers and smart phones than getting exercise? Are people who post more or less successful than people who lurk and just read (because most internet boards are more lurkers than posters). More successful because we have a “support group?” Less successful because it’s online and because it doesn’t have the safeties in place an in person one has (I mean let’s be real, people don’t “say” these kinds of things in person).

I’m just pulling random possibilities out of the air because who knows.

I just don’t think there’s any place for name calling. If you truly think someone is a bully (and you seem to be good at searching people’s history so you can easily find out what I think about slinging the name “bully” around—in brief I think it’s an over used ad hominem attack) then perhaps you shouldn’t call people names.

It’s also against the rules to personally attack like that.

I can disagree with someone and not resort to that. Even if I think they were inappropriate, it’s no reason to stoop to that level. You lose your own credibility.

I mean here you are, supposedly on my side of this argument, and I wish you weren’t.

Yes when you read carefully I know that’s what you SAID. But people don’t always read carefully and skim so I wanted to clarify. I wanted to put it out there that low carb does work for many.

Some it doesn’t. I think there are people who regain from many camps and I honestly don’t think there are more of them from the low carb camp. I don’t have statistics but I would love to see any you know of. Posters on this board don’t present a balanced view of the population.

Plenty of us who eat that way aren’t retainers either though. It’s not a road that’s doomed to fail.

I think as we study and learn more we will be able to tell by your genes who will do well on what diet. But we are still in the dark ages.

There isn’t any one size fits all. I did the high carb low fat diets in the 90’s and those always ended in me falling off the wagon and regaining. I was quite strict on the low carb train till I got to goal. I’m still pretty low carb but I don’t stress about them a bit here and there.

I’m five year out and it works just great for me.

I know your plan is working for you (so far). Can’t we just all realize that there is no one size fits all answer? I know you’re certain your plan will be the answer for you. And time will tell, but since I think a big part of this is mental, I think it will.

But you make it sound like being a “carb nazi” means you’re doomed to fail.

I didn’t.  It’s not a stop gap measure for me.  It’s a lifestyle change and it works just fine. 

Not always. Different surgeons have different plans. My surgeon was the 24 hour type. He doesn’t give two weeks to anyone unless you’ve been diagnosed with and treated for NASH (aka fatty liver disease).

Not my experience. I have a sleeve and I do IF here and there for various reasons. It’s not about not eating all day, it’s about limiting the window during which you eat. Say an 8 hour window and then fast the other 16. So if you delay your first “meal” till 10am and have your last meal at 6 you’re good. That’s what I do when I do IF. And it doesn’t make me any hungrier than any other time. I still stop when I’m full.

A lot of vets do it for regain and it works quite well!

Also some insurances don't require the 3-6 months of supervised weight loss and visits. I had my four year follow up appointment a few months ago and in the exam room my doc had a chart posted for info with a list of insurance companies and their requirements. About a third of the ones listed (mine included) had none. I had six l weeks between my first looking up info and surgery date. I only had to get all the clearances or might have been quicker. My insurance didn't require much and I have a biggie in California.

I just don’t think there’s any place for name calling. If you truly think someone is a bully (and you seem to be good at searching people’s history so you can easily find out what I think about slinging the name “bully” around—in brief I think it’s an over used ad hominem attack) then perhaps you shouldn’t call people names.

It’s also against the rules to personally attack like that.

I can disagree with someone and not resort to that. Even if I think they were inappropriate, it’s no reason to stoop to that level. You lose your own credibility.

I mean here you are, supposedly on my side of this argument, and I wish you weren’t.

Wow this thread went south in a hurry! Yikes.

Can’t let those things in my house. They are my kryptonite.

Do you bring up all the hundreds of thousands of automobile accidents that results in death whenever anyone gets into a car? No? Then your logic that bringing up a totally unrelated, extremely rare issue that just happened to occur to your aunt doesn't have anything to do with your wife's current situation, like, at all.

Here's what I'm reading you saying:

"My wife is happy and feels healthy. Her doctors confirm that she's healthy. But I don't care about that because I don't like the way she looks, and thus nothing anyone says is going to make me understand that I'm wrong"

You came here looking for information, you've been provided with it, by folks that are right in the middle of dealing with it, but it's clear that the truth isn't what you were looking for.

@BigViffer Care to chime in about how us bypass folks can't work out? LOL

Show proof.. what do you want photos of us in the gym lifting weights? You state you can bench 400, well, using your own logic, prove it. I'm in the gym pretty much daily. Cardio, Weight lifting, I had the band installed in 2011, had it removed and was converted to the Bypass this past March. Zero issues working out and building / toning muscle. Just because you refuse to accept it, doesn't mean it's not possible.

No on here is giving you anything other than the truth, that you just refuse to accept. Everything you are writing is just highlighting how this issue, is 100% with you and not your wife or her surgery.

In all seriousness and honesty, you need to get to a therapist, your mindset is grossly unhealthy.

You said you weren’t happy that your wife went forward with this from the beginning. Is it possible that you are unconsciously looking for physical changes in your wife to support that feeling? Maybe even a “I-told-you-so” feeling because you’re not happy with her appearance now or maybe because she proceeded with her surgery despite your feelings?
I’ve come to accept what she has done… I don’t think you’ve accepted it at all. Why were you opposed to her decision to have this done in the first place? Is there something deep inside of you that resents her for having this surgery even though you were opposed to it? (I don’t know you, but some men have a problem with women making their own decisions, including decisions about their own bodies.)
She used to be… she is now… she is starting to look… She also looks like…. These sound like mourning words. You’re in mourning for the body your wife used to have.
I’m starting to worry… Starting? No, you're in full-blown worry mode, except it’s not really worry. I still think it’s mourning for what was.
I’m afraid I’ve lost my wife… Afraid? No, in your mind you’ve lost her. But have you lost her? Really? Your wife is happy. And the doctor’s office doesn’t seem worried.
His office pretty much ignores my concerns… Are you sure that they’re just disagreeing with you and not ignoring you?
This surgery killed my aunt…. WLS is not a murderer with a sawed-off shotgun. Your aunt had a rare and unfortunate complication. I hope you didn’t bring up your aunt's complication as one of the reasons for not wanting your wife to have her surgery. Or did you?
If I come across as terse, it’s only because men tend to understand things better when those things are presented bluntly or in black and white.
Lastly, it’s only been 10 months. Your wife's body is still trying to find a happy balance.
Has your sex life changed? Is that something you’re also unhappy about? (My husband has always enjoyed my big, soft body.)
Please do not interpret anything I’ve said above as lecturing or patronizing because that is not my intent. This is just my take on things from a woman's point of view. Not every woman's point of view. Just mine. We're not all the same, you know.
You sound like a loving and caring husband. No one here wants you to be unhappy, including me. Your wife, I’m sure, doesn’t want you to be unhappy. But guess what? It’s okay to be unhappy sometimes, except you need to figure out if your unhappiness and fears about your wife’s new body are rational or irrational. If they are irrational fears, and you still can’t come to terms with it all, maybe a therapist might help. Maybe joint therapy. And there is, of course, absolutely no shame in that. None.