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BahhahaahA. ha! Oh, that was great! I love it! There are just some things I hope to never have the desire to put in my new stomach & new lease on life, that basically cost me the price of a new car! Why on Earth?!

Oh darn...when I saw the title as "Macho cheese Doritos" I got a little excited. Hehe. I thought maybe there was a new brand of Doritos targeted specifically for men or something. Well, it was probably just the word "Macho" that got my attention, if I have to be completely honest. :wub:
I assume that "Macho" was a result of some predictive autocorrect situation.
But yes, I agree with those above that you should wait until you've developed solid healthful eating habits and follow your surgeon and nutritionists post-op food stage diet, etc. before you even think about eating junk food--you might find that you don't want those Doritos anymore after a while.
You should also consider WHY you want those Doritos...and what caused you to gain weight in the first place. Emotional eating, volume eating, etc...it's important to know what got you to the point of needing weight loss surgery. Discuss this with your nutritionist, VSG support group, or maybe even a counselor.

Biggest Loser ( got it at Walmart) it is fantastic. I am sure I can eat more. But I don't want to continue the vicious cycle of eating until " passing out" so I cap myself at the 6weeks food limit on my NUT list. I eat my Protein first and then my veggies( usually spinach or green beans).
and yes I eat soooo slooow it drives my friends insane

Intellect and emotion are two very separate things. Intellectually, he might know that you can't eat much. But emotionally, people who are foodies and/or love to cook can have a negative knee-jerk reaction to those who can't eat, or can't eat MUCH, of what they put in front of you.
My Italian grandmother was an amazing cook and she needed validation for this by seeing everyone clean their plates. And when I spent time in the Middle East, the way you showed your host that you enjoyed their cooking was to finish everything that was served.
I've been on both sides of this issue, and it involved two "new" friends. I met friend #1 at a party (way before I had the surgery) and we hit it off (just as friends) so we decided to hang out one afternoon. We were hanging out in my neighborhood, which is known for lots of great restaurants. Unfamiliar with the area, my friend told me to choose a place to eat. So I picked a pizza place that is known for having NYC's "best" pizza. I was excited to have him try it because I believed it was the best pizza I'd ever had. He ate three bites and left it on his plate.
I knew he had had weight loss surgery (in his case, the Lap Band), and I knew intellectually that he couldn't eat much, but my emotional reaction was that I felt insulted. "You didn't like it?!? You only ate three bites!" It was like being told it WASN'T the best pizza and I was wrong. Then I remembered he had the surgery and I felt a little better. But the emotions kicked in before the intellect.
I met Friend #2 after I had had the surgery. He knew I couldn't eat much, but he was one of those people who prided himself on his cooking. I went to his place to hang out one day and he had just cooked a big meal for himself and his brother. Despite the fact that I had gone into detail about the stages of the post-op diet with him (he was really curious about it, so I told him), a lot of the food he cooked I simply couldn't eat. But he shoved a plate in front of me and wanted me to try it. He stood over me with an expectant grin as I took the first bite of his mashed potatoes, which were really the only thing I could eat.
I took three bites and told him that they were indeed excellent and put my fork down. "That's all?!? You don't want anymore? You didn't like it?" I kept telling him that was all I could eat, but he still seemed rather hurt. He got over it and we went on to do other things, but seeing the pained expression on his face when I put my fork down made me feel bad.
My point is (and sorry for the novel I just wrote), people who make food a priority in their lives might be a bit of a challenge for those of us who have had weight loss surgery. That doesn't mean you can't have them in your life, and I'm still friends with the guys in my story. But it took time and understanding to get used to the idea of a stomach that could only hold a few ounces of food.

I always measure my food! I invested in a good scale that also tells me the caloric value. At three months out, I don't eat more than 4oz. There are times, depending of how dense the Protein is, I don't finish. I am desperately trying to teach myself not to eat until it hurts. I need to be content with the amount my body needs to be healthy. Not a bite more. That's how I got in trouble in the first place.

I have seen you on here quite a bit and always offer really good support. I haven't been sleeved yet but have been in the fitness industry my entire life and it seems like you should be taking in 300-400 more calories per day at least- with the exercise. I have been doing this a long time now, loosing and gaining, and if I wasn't eating at least 1200-1300 calories a day while I exerise- the scale was at a stand still. It used to freak me out all the time until I finally convinced myself to just eat a little more. It really made all the difference for me. I know you will get through this- I can tell you are a very strong person by the remarks you make on this site. Hang in there you will do this. Plateaus SUCK but that's just what they are- stepping stones. I've got your back

Wow! As a confirmed conspiracy theorist, I absolutely HAVE to get this book now. I'm convinced that the premise of this book isn't just "theory" though. Think about it: Lay's slogan is "Betcha can't eat just one!" Hm. They're pretty much telling us that they know we can't stop eating them.
I'm curious though, lollyfidy1965. How does knowledge and understanding of the process make it easier to resist unhealthful food? The disgust and horror factor? Like, I don't eat hot dogs because I learned what was actually in them.
Or should I just read the book myself?

Intellect and emotion are two very separate things. Intellectually, he might know that you can't eat much. But emotionally, people who are foodies and/or love to cook can have a negative knee-jerk reaction to those who can't eat, or can't eat MUCH, of what they put in front of you.
My Italian grandmother was an amazing cook and she needed validation for this by seeing everyone clean their plates. And when I spent time in the Middle East, the way you showed your host that you enjoyed their cooking was to finish everything that was served.
I've been on both sides of this issue, and it involved two "new" friends. I met friend #1 at a party (way before I had the surgery) and we hit it off (just as friends) so we decided to hang out one afternoon. We were hanging out in my neighborhood, which is known for lots of great restaurants. Unfamiliar with the area, my friend told me to choose a place to eat. So I picked a pizza place that is known for having NYC's "best" pizza. I was excited to have him try it because I believed it was the best pizza I'd ever had. He ate three bites and left it on his plate.
I knew he had had weight loss surgery (in his case, the Lap Band), and I knew intellectually that he couldn't eat much, but my emotional reaction was that I felt insulted. "You didn't like it?!? You only ate three bites!" It was like being told it WASN'T the best pizza and I was wrong. Then I remembered he had the surgery and I felt a little better. But the emotions kicked in before the intellect.
I met Friend #2 after I had had the surgery. He knew I couldn't eat much, but he was one of those people who prided himself on his cooking. I went to his place to hang out one day and he had just cooked a big meal for himself and his brother. Despite the fact that I had gone into detail about the stages of the post-op diet with him (he was really curious about it, so I told him), a lot of the food he cooked I simply couldn't eat. But he shoved a plate in front of me and wanted me to try it. He stood over me with an expectant grin as I took the first bite of his mashed potatoes, which were really the only thing I could eat.
I took three bites and told him that they were indeed excellent and put my fork down. "That's all?!? You don't want anymore? You didn't like it?" I kept telling him that was all I could eat, but he still seemed rather hurt. He got over it and we went on to do other things, but seeing the pained expression on his face when I put my fork down made me feel bad.
My point is (and sorry for the novel I just wrote), people who make food a priority in their lives might be a bit of a challenge for those of us who have had weight loss surgery. That doesn't mean you can't have them in your life, and I'm still friends with the guys in my story. But it took time and understanding to get used to the idea of a stomach that could only hold a few ounces of food.

Have you been to a therapist? You need to address this issue before the surgery. Surgery is not a a cure all. It is a tool that you have to learn how to use correctly or you are setting your self up for failure. I wish you the best of luck on your journey.

I ministered in the Bronx long ago. A kid from the church offered to show me Manhattan. He was a bicycle messenger and had lived there his entire life.
I was fascinated at how he moved us around on the subway system. I also realized that I would be quite lost without him.
He represented wisdom. He knew the trains.
Life is like the subway system. Lots of trains show up. Take the wrong one and you waste time and engender frustration. Take the wise one and you get where you want to go.
Many folks have made it possible for us to get on the right train. They supply us the wisdom.
We have to supply the self-control to follow their advice.
Impulse must take a back-seat to overall welfare.

Yes, polyamory, polygamy, and polyandry are much more common than people realize. And trust me, it can be quite a challenge to stay monogamous when it's two men in a relationship. Men can separate love from sex, whereas most women can't (sorry gals), which most people don't understand. More importantly, America seems to be stuck on its irritating, arcane self-righteousness about the whole "one man one woman" thing. But don't get me started on that one...

On a serious note....and in the hopes of, perhaps, helping one person... I know I've posted this before (multiple times, actually...so forgive me, if you've seen it already), but, I HIGHLY recommend reading the book "The End of Overeating". If you're wondering why you're craving high-fat, high-sugar, high-salt foods (and Nacho cheese Doritos is DEFINITELY one of those!), this book will explain it to you, in very simple terms. The food manufacturing companies (and my apologies to the person who works for Frito-Lay) intentionally manipulates foods, searching for the perfect combination of fat, sugar, and salt, in order to trigger a chemical response (in our brains) identical to that seen in drug addicts. Yes...IDENTICAL. food, literally, becomes the "drug of choice"....and we get sucked into a cycle of dependence (explaining our need for weight loss surgery). The more I read, the angrier I became....and the easier it became for me, before and after my surgery, to say NO to unhealthy, over-processed foods that were, literally, killing me. Please....if you're struggling with craving unhealthy foods (or, really, anything processed, and high in sugar, fat, and/or salt), give this book a read. It has truly made my post-surgical journey MUCH easier....because I understand the process going on in my brain, when I hear that little voice screaming for things I really shouldn't be eating.
Wishing us all great success!
Laura

I agree! This thread is awesome. The question was answered and we got to go down memory lane with some very witty posters. I was smiling each time I read the responses. It was nice. Laughter is a good thing and the people posting were enjoying each others posts. I did not see anyone laughing *at* someone. It was a great exchange of info and fun.

I live in ky pretty much anything goes here. I am originally from nyc so this read definately culture shock for me. When my husband and I got our marriage license they asked if we were related I looked at them like they were crazy after a certain age you can marry your first cousin here you just have to be old enough to not be able to have children I think with parental given you can be 14 the rules are different here
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Brothah...you gotta do what you gotta do. I'm not a fan of marriage as it pertains to today. People settle so often in life...I did and now I am happily divorced. But anyone's opinion of you, your choices or life...is none of your business. When you characterize them into that...what they say can't take up real estate in your mind. Tell them to piss off and enjoy your life. You have been hiding due to your weight long enough! Go and live!!

This seems quite sensible. Thanks!

Yup, one man, one woman sort of nails it on the head. It rules out one man, one man, or one woman, one woman, or one man two women, or one woman, two men, or basically anything except the most narrow possible definition of sex and love.
Grr. Don't get ME started either

Just wanted to say congrats on the awesome first date and great compliment! I bet it felt amazing to hear after all that hard work.
And I think it's interesting to hear about different values/walks of life, we don't all fit into the same little box. =)

Yes, polyamory, polygamy, and polyandry are much more common than people realize. And trust me, it can be quite a challenge to stay monogamous when it's two men in a relationship. Men can separate love from sex, whereas most women can't (sorry gals), which most people don't understand. More importantly, America seems to be stuck on its irritating, arcane self-righteousness about the whole "one man one woman" thing. But don't get me started on that one...

Yeah, it's funny. My sister is gay, and although I've never given a rip (what the heck do I care who she sleeps with or loves? as long as she's happy...) I've never really taken her stories of prejudice very seriously.
Then when I realized I was polyamorous, it was hardwired into me -- so, nothing I could do about it, aside from "pretend" to be monogamous like "everyone else" (and hint: you'd be very surprised how many people practice some flavor of non-monogamy ) -- just like hetero/homo/bi. And I realized that society does NOT appreciate people with multiple lovers (yikes, understatement.) And that's when I started using terms like being "closeted" about being poly (I am, around my "real life" friends, mostly for my girlfriend's sake, she has relatives that simply would NOT accept us) and "coming out" about it (which I SO want to do, but need to respect her wishes). This forum is sort of safe because AFAIK, nobody here knows me in real life

I loved your story! And please! You should see the rainbow of people that I've dated. Everything from a closeted network news anchorman to mother's ex boyfriend. Talk about getting judged!
And yes, I've dated a biker or two and I have public intimacy stories that would make your hair curl. Though, I must admit that I've never received any applause. :ph34r:
So I have no place judging you or your chick-magnet abs.

I loved your story! And please! You should see the rainbow of people that I've dated. Everything from a closeted network news anchorman to mother's ex boyfriend. Talk about getting judged!
And yes, I've dated a biker or two and I have public intimacy stories that would make your hair curl. Though, I must admit that I've never received any applause. :ph34r:
So I have no place judging you or your chick-magnet abs.

Oh darn...when I saw the title as "Macho cheese Doritos" I got a little excited. Hehe. I thought maybe there was a new brand of Doritos targeted specifically for men or something. Well, it was probably just the word "Macho" that got my attention, if I have to be completely honest. :wub:
I assume that "Macho" was a result of some predictive autocorrect situation.
But yes, I agree with those above that you should wait until you've developed solid healthful eating habits and follow your surgeon and nutritionists post-op food stage diet, etc. before you even think about eating junk food--you might find that you don't want those Doritos anymore after a while.
You should also consider WHY you want those Doritos...and what caused you to gain weight in the first place. Emotional eating, volume eating, etc...it's important to know what got you to the point of needing weight loss surgery. Discuss this with your nutritionist, VSG support group, or maybe even a counselor.

Mine is pretty straightforward: my first name plus my birthdate. I guess I wasn't too creative. I had considered RobustoTenor because that's what my voice category was when I sang opera in my younger days. I also wanted to use ConanTheLibrarian but I'm no longer muscular nor a librarian anymore.