Hold up hold up hold up!!!

I live here in America. Here is America we have this little thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Okay, now with that in mind we also have freedom in choice.

And with THAT in mind, why is it that this forum is so over moderated with threats of locking threads and deleting posts and everything? I agree I haven't been in the "mix" of things lately but I do have the right to speak my mind and I do choose whether or not to participate in those particular posts. I think that everyone in the questioned threads had a right to speak, whether they agreed or disagreed. I think that when you post a thread, you are opening it up to everyone. I think that when you have a thread, it is no longer "yours" but the becomes a part of the overall dynamic of the group. I do agree that some comments were nasty and uncalled for, but I also believe that everyone has a right to speak. Just because one person gets offended, then DON'T read that post (see freedom of choice above).

I think that nilly willy locking a thread because you have been queened or kinged as a moderator is ridiculous. I think a thread should only be locked if it is blatant advertising crap. Otherwise, let it ride. By not dealing with the problems and comments that doesn't SOLVE the issue, it lets it fester on other threads. Let people talk it out back and forth. Is it bickering? Sure it is, but we are a majority of women in this group, so isn't it a bit expected? Women have to hash it out to be done with it.

I think it is all getting taken too seriously.

Let people speak!!! (see above freedom of speech) Good bad and ugly.

There, I have said my 2 cents. Now feel free to come to THIS thread and say what you will because this is MY thread I have donated to THIS group, which makes it OURS.

*wading in rolling up my sleeves*

Don't YOU tell me how to pronounce que-min! It's a free country and I can prounounce que-min any way I want!

hee hee hee

BTW, loved the spice porn! lol

Oh my, the spice porn was hysterical! And Jenna, thanks for posting that s'more picture. Oh man, do I have a craving. So, will marshmallows get stuck in our band?

There is a thread on here that just greeted me this morning and made me fume. It wasn't caused just by the person who posted the vicious attack but by the moderator who allowed the post to remain there and not delete it. Just locking it is not a sufficient remedy. A thread that so blatantly attacks a person as the "I'm Guilty" thread should have been deleted.

I personally am very proud to call PhotoNut my friend. She has been a great encouragement to me along with a lot of other people on here. She has always been here for me, and it hurt to see her attacked in what I considered a vile way by someone I have no respect for after reading this.

How low is this thing going to sink? You know Alexandra, the thread should have been deleted. You are allowing Susan to read this and not be able to respond. You know it will hurt her horribly. What if someone posted something cruel to a moderator...would you let it stand. Now if Susan trys to defend herself in another thread you will get on her case and lock it.

Alexandra, a good moderator would delete the "I'm Guilty" thread immediately and not just lock it. I would like to hear others opinions on this, or am I going to find this thread locked to responses to?

I'm furious with this person who attacked PhotoNut. She should be ashamed of herself.

There is a thread on here that just greeted me this morning and made me fume. It wasn't caused just by the person who posted the vicious attack but by the moderator who allowed the post to remain there and not delete it. Just locking it is not a sufficient remedy. A thread that so blatantly attacks a person as the "I'm Guilty" thread should have been deleted.

I personally am very proud to call PhotoNut my friend. She has been a great encouragement to me along with a lot of other people on here. She has always been here for me, and it hurt to see her attacked in what I considered a vile way by someone I have no respect for after reading this.

How low is this thing going to sink? You know Alexandra, the thread should have been deleted. You are allowing Susan to read this and not be able to respond. You know it will hurt her horribly. What if someone posted something cruel to a moderator...would you let it stand. Now if Susan trys to defend herself in another thread you will get on her case and lock it.

Alexandra, a good moderator would delete the "I'm Guilty" thread immediately and not just lock it. I would like to hear others opinions on this, or am I going to find this thread locked to responses to?

I'm furious with this person who attacked PhotoNut. She should be ashamed of herself.

Dody, I concur. Below is the response I had typed up but was unable to post due to the thread being locked.

I'll take dead horses for $1000, Alex.

I've held my tongue for entirely too long on this subject. Not anymore.

My God, DeLarla, haven't you done enough damage with your rhetoric? You spew the most ridiculous nonsense on this board. You start accusatory threads filled with malice and yet, you have the audacity to accuse others of exactly what YOU are doing. Do you ever take an honest look at yourself before you post something? I am inclined to think not.

Furthermore, do you honestly think that people are following YOU around? Are you that narcissistic to think that the general population of this message board cares that much about you? Guess what? They don't. What I find comical is that you attempt to control what other people do and say on this board as though you're some God to be obeyed. Again, how narcissistic.

I'm a cheerleader for no one but I do appreciate and respect several people on this message board. You are not one of them. Instead, I have pity for you because you don't know the true meaning of caring nor do you know how to let go of your pride.

I hope that some day soon you look deep inside yourself and see exactly what it is that you're doing.

Looks like this thread is headed for lock-up as well. I wish all the bickering would end and the focus would go back to support.

Looks like this thread is headed for lock-up as well. I wish all the bickering would end and the focus would go back to support.

I dislike the bickering as well. Touble is people just can't always get along. I'm sure all of this will become calm soon.

I'm sorry the board has had to deal with ugly words and arguments.

Hang in there

I hope it becomes calm soon, lol. The constant rehashing is getting tiresome.

I agree, it is very tiresome. I've said my peace about it now, so I'll not be contributing to anymore of this.

It's hard not to defend yourself when you've been singled out in posts which lie about you and call you foul names. I'll really try to ignore it publicly now and take my defense and complaints to Alex. Which, I did last night.

Not sure who got my complaint about the thread they posted about you PhotoNut. I just sent it in by clicking on the triangle. I don't know how to get ahold of Alex personally or I most definitely would. This is supposed to be a forum for support and encouragement, which is why I joined in the first place. I hope everything returns quickly to where it belongs. I've always found you to be kind to new people. You were one of the first to greet me when I joined and have been a great source of inspiration.

I heard from 3 Loves. She is doing fine and her surgery went well. Thank God.

I hope to see sanity back on this board and hurtful things deleted. I hate to see someone singled out and attacked.

Alexandra, a good moderator would delete the "I'm Guilty" thread immediately and not just lock it. I would like to hear others opinions on this, or am I going to find this thread locked to responses to?

Our rules dictate that it takes two moderators to agree to delete a thread. We are talking about it. All one moderator can do without discussion is lock something.

Our rules dictate that it takes two moderators to agree to delete a thread. We are talking about it. All one moderator can do without discussion is lock something.

You have had all day. It seems to me the damage has been done by allowing PhotoNut to have to read the ramblings of a psychopath. Perhaps Alex will do something about it. I'm tired of threads simply being closed and the obnoxious behavior allowed to remain on here.

You knew PhotoNut would be hurt by this Alexandra. I can't believe you couldn't contact some other moderator and delete this thread long before now. Shame on all of you.

I think perhaps Alex should have enough faith if he chose you for moderators to allow one of you to decide an obnoxious thread should be deleted. It appears you have been discussing this "I'm Guilty" thread with someone, and still nothing has been done. Why should it even be up for discussion that it should be deleted and the person who wrote it banned....of course she would come back as DeNutCase or something else. It is oh so easy to change an IP number if you know anything about computers....but her style of rambling is easy to pick up on.

Dody, the threads have been deleted.

And sure, we may have have "had all day" but we were out living our lives. (You do know we're not paid for this, right?)

And last, please stop throwing insulting labels around; we don't want to have to lock this thread too.

Dody, I respect what you are saying, and agree to a point.

These things should never have been said. The post should never have been made. There are several on the board that should never have been made, on boths sides of the fence. As Susan's friend I ache for her and what was said, and my concern of the harm being threatened is way up there.

But at the same time, I have been on the internet since before the world wide web came around. (anyone remember PINE mail?) I have belonged to many BBS and boards discussing everything from salt water reef fish, to weight loss surgery, to sex. and this is going on on all of the boards. It is because when a large group of people get together, there are going to be a few that don't get along. The mods do what they can, but like Alexandra said, they aren't here all day long. I imagine the way things are set up is there is a seperate forum that none of us can see. this forum can only be accessed by mods, and I betcha there are tons of threads about the fighting going on. While Alexandra (this is just for example. i do not know the situation and am using names for this example alone) may want the thread deleted, the only other mod on at the time like Penni may not think it is bad enough to warrant a deletion, but does agree that it should be closed.

There are several threads and posts that i wished were deleted. But I do not have those powers. all i can do is report report report. and be available to speak with alex or the mods whenever they wish to discuss the events.

Can we stop fueling the fire and give it a rest already? Tomorrow is Memorial Day so let's focus on the meaning of THAT holiday and stop hurting one another.

So glad they are finally gone. Me...I'm out of here.