BethFromVA

I apologize, long day at work. It was BJean. As much as she thinks what I copied above. Okay, in all fairness, to some degree, yes I do. Not all, certainly, but I keep seeing the very same thing over and over. Many oh-so-tolerant libs beat the crap out of people they disagree with, cause riots, create havoc, attack the opposition... yes, I do believer there is a venom there that I haven't seen elsewhere. Story after story that I have found is some Obama supporter attacking some McCain supporter somewhere. I have seen the video of McCain supporters walking peacefully down the streets of LA simply holding up McCain signs and for five minutes all you see is the spewing, spitting, hateful leftists screaming, cussing, and flipping the bird at people who are doing nothing but showing their support for the opposition. I deal a lot with the public and hear the same things over and over. Hell, even last night at school the brainwashed youth were spouting hate-filled epithets about McCain and especially Palin. They can't simply disagree, they have to hate. AND called anybody who liked them "stupid." That is what I see being taught to leftists, yes.

As much as you meant, "If a backlash happens because Senator Obama loses, and if there is blood in the streets, it will be shed by the pro-Obama people, caused by their oppositions brutality, if history tells us anything."

Do tell. What is the reason for a senator voted in to do the will of the people simply voting "present" over 90 percent of the time?

That makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. If Obama loses and blood is shed, that means the losing party won't admit defeat without brutality and mayhem, something that party is known for. Look at who migrates towards that group.

I'm not surprised you are piping in as well. What you two fail to see was that I was vehemently attacking your savior, not YOU. When you didn't like the message, you attacked the messenger. It's the same MO from the left, constant and continual. I have called NObody names (except the snide I made about saying I could have called clusk a bitch but I didn't) until a personal attack was made towards me. But of course y'all see things the way you want to.

Just to be sure I wasn't misinforming myself OR you, I went back through this entire thread I have not "repeatedly called you names or questioned your intelligence." You may consider my disagreement with the liberal progrom to be mean-spiritedness, but that is your opinion -- certainly not fact. So if you wish to keep a decent dialogue going, I suggest you not lie.

Actually that is far from true. I was attacking the CANDIDATES and you began making it personal towards me because I refuse to sing Hail Obama. And I don't believe I have called ANYbody a name here. Please go look back through the threads.

The Video that could cost Obama the election A must-see for anybody who knows that NObama is the absolute most wrong choice for this country. What is his explanation?? The Video that could cost Obama the election

Hadda share: Some thoughts to take into the voting booth! OBAMA'S 'NOT EXACTLYS' > 1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google' Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.) > 2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government. > 3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACT LY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had. > 4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth. > 5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man. > 6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic20and so is Obama. Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African > 7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559 > 8.) My School In Indonesia was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.' > 9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language. > 10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons. > 11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Aff airs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies. > 12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine. > 13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist. > 14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My outlook on Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist. > 15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, > that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first. > 16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES. > 17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote. > 18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE. > 19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE. > 20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it. > 21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish. > 22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came. > 23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within. > 24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens . You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books. > 25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and ev en YOU voted against your own bill. > 26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part. > 27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office. > 28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them. > 29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel . > 30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide. > 31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time. > 32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself. > 33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice20Palmer from running against you. > 34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it. > 35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting. > 36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon. > 37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time. > 38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it > GOD HELP US IF WE JUST SIT IDLY BY AND LET THIS PERSON BECOME OUR NEXT PRESIDENT. IT WOULD BE SUICIDAL FOR US TO DO NOTHING TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. PASS THIS ON TO ALL THE ONES YOU VALUE, JUST AS I AM DOING. IT'S TIME THE 'SILENT MAJORITY' TAKE A STAND! GET OUT AND VOTE! PLEASE!

First and foremost, if you are a republican (as I consider myself), we HAVE no party. I can only speak for myself when I say that nobody has represented me in a very long time. The closest they have come is Sarah Palin, but sadly she's only running second fiddle. And it IS my money. If they are taking it from me to pool with money from others to pay to study the mating habits of bottle-nosed gnats, they are wasting MY money. If it's not my money, then they don't NEED my money. Let ME keep it and use it as I see fit. As for supporting my fellow American, I am not obligated to do any such thing. I have no problem with supporting those who truly NEED. The problem, however, is that need has expanded very much like our own stomachs have, becoming something so overbloated and grotesque as to not even be recognizable anymore. I am not my brother's keeper unless I choose to be. The way I take that comment of yours indicates socialism, unless I am missing something. Too many people are crying "poor mouth," and our greedy government is all too willing to label them as such in order to get them on the government teat. I am numb towards my duty anymore. I have a government that squanders MY money (and I will cry MY money until I die or the cows come home because it IS my money), and I have lowlifes who believe that if I make even a dollar more than they do, I must split it with them. I owe them NOTHING. I am a huge believer in personal responsibility. Barring very few circumstances, if you buy more than you can afford, too bad, so sad. I will NOT bail you out. If you sign on for a mortgage for twice the house you can really afford, too bad, so sad, sucks to be you. I will NOT bail you out. I am a responsible citizen, and I get crapped on everywhere I turn, bailing out this lowlife and that lowlife who wasn't responsible or was simply downright greedy. What about those of us who do the RIGHT thing? We constantly get punished for that and nobody gives a crap -- they just demand more of MY money. I say no more.

And far from learning from his mistakes, he flaunts them.

Except that there's a HUGE difference between inexperienced and old. I'd take old and experienced over inexperienced any day.

LOL, so true. He had been in office 143 DAYS before he ran for president. And most of that time he spent casting "no vote." :biggrin:

You know how people increase their advantages? They get up off their lazy behinds and work hard for it like they're supposed to. Nobody is entitled to anything beyond what they put into it. You used the word yourself: REDISTRIBUTION. If it's taxes, it's MY money. If you want to give yours to the slackers, be my guest. I, on the other hand, work my ass off for my money and choose to use it for myself as I see fit.

Okay, that put a smile on my face. That's funny, I don't care who ya are. :biggrin:

Why the personal dig? I could have asked you if you were born a bitch or if you just practice every day, but I didn't. :biggrin: Put your claws away. Your oh-so-tolerant democratic side is showing.

That breed of democrat exists today -- his name is John McCain. The type of democrat that is being touted as a democrat today is a Fascist socialist, so far beyond the left-wing arena as to be unrecognizable to JFK if he was reincarnated today.

Wow. Just... WOW. :biggrin: See, where you think it's better for some poor schmo to feel "grateful" for being an American and showing that gratitude by paying taxes -- MORE taxes, no doubt -- I feel that the government ought to feel grateful that we elected them and that they would have the intestinal fortitude and cajones to do the RIGHT thing -- not the thing that works best for them as individuals while everybody else takes a back seat. I don't pay my taxes out of gratitude or even duty. I pay them because they are stolen from me out of my paycheck. If I felt that there were decent people in office being good shepherds with MY money, I would feel that I was part of a greater good. But they aren't. They squander and waste more money than I can even imagine, and then they want me to pay more for all their fuckups (excuse the French, but no other word quite covers it). While we are scrimping and saving and doing without, they NEVER do without. They just find new, more inventive ways to steal my money from me. I am far from grateful. The country my ancestors fought and died for has been totally screwed up in a very short time by this batch of morons we've been voting in for the last number of decades.

Just because you don't like the message doesn't mean I'm spiteful, ignorant, or unlearned. I know you wish that was the case, but that is standard MO for those who would rather shoot the messenger than hear the message. I just don't have it in me to spend my life with my fingers in my ears singing, "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" all the live-long day.

Bravo, Jack. That about sums it up in a nutshell.

I see it for what it is. If it's true, it was taken lock, stock, and barrel from the lefty playbook. They have been doing this forever. What about poor Joe the plumber? Leftists have been using government computers to dig into all sorts of private matters on a regular individual who simply questioned Obama on his policies. The left is downright scary.

I posted it in the debate area, but I can move it over here for you if you wish. It's a long (but accurate) read. I only wish I wrote it. http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/racetoth ... ments.aspx Posted By: DBLAIRXP7 (October 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM) To Barack Hussein Obama, The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved You had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you Previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America about it. The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it. Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about 'race' contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never Heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America. While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14. In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without 'preparations' at lower levels ... Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin ... While the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered 'I would' to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without 'any' preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without Pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain. On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14. You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately... Not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position. You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record Shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar ... And it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth. In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a 'Captain' of a platoon in Afghanistan 'the other day' when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanista n . You lied in that debate. In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a 'professor of Constitutional law' when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you 'taught a law class' and never mentioned being a 'professor of Constitutional law.' You lied last spring. You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth. You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn ... and he was right .... corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth. You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America . You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts. You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn ... who all helped cause the f inancial problems of today ... and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful. You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator ... and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America . During your campaign, you said: 'typical white person.' 'They cling to their guns and religion.' 'They will say that I am black.' You played the race Card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America . You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax Reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America . The drain to America 's economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America . Mr. Obama, you claimed that you 'changed' your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America . Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA . They eliminated religion from our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children. They are in it for themselves ..... not America . Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are deceiving America . Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else. Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. 1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer. 2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements. 3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations. 4. You divide America about race and about class. Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with 'Country first.' Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago. Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed. Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty. Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security .... and you are preying on their fears with empty promises ... and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for 'change' like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you ... your style has camouflaged your dishonesty .... but many of us see you for who you really are ... and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary. Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty. Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future. Mr. Obama, you are not the 'change' that America deserves. We cannot trust you. Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief. Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves .... just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon ... Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events ... false witness ... perjury ... your relationships and bad judgements are bad on their own .... but your lies are even worse. Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day. Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.

I know it's not nice, but sometimes fact is not pretty.

Excellent, Jack! I fear, however, that it will go over a few too many heads. Facts don't seem to hold up too well in the nation these days. :w00t:

Ditto. If I was a dem (perish the thought), I would vote McCain.