Tracyringo

Looks like we have same stats and I totally get it. When my weight is 165-170 I dont have as many wrinkles on my arms and face. I staying right at 158 ish and can tell the difference in those 10 lbs when it comes to skin and wrinkles being worse. I wear size 8 to 10 depending on the brand and you are right those BMI calculators are not one size fits all. My bariactric team says that even though I may be a 25 BMI you have to figure in the extra skin considering I lost over 150 lbs.

Yep. They did.
Inceasant hunger can make people angry and filterless, apparently.
I honestly am not particularly angry with them, and it's nothing new, and it doesn't just happen to me.
When something like this happens....I think to myself....thank God it's you who is a hot mess today, and not me for a change. LOL. Meh, we all take a turn being the hot mess.
I'm not taking it personally cause I don't think anyone LIKES to be hurtful to strangers.
I think it's a byproduct of rigid thinking...crime and punishment. Rules that must never be broken. A way to feel in control against a foe that one feels helpless against. And I get that struggle. I really do.
(only, I don't feel helpless against obesity anymore, or particularly threatened by it. I used to.)
And I'm a known food criminal, ya know?
I eat carbs. 😳
LOL🤣
How could I possibly eat bread and have an imperfect BMI and still feel like a total success?
I mean...that's some gall there....

"Picking a goal weight".
Quite a few people who've "picked a goal weight" will realize sooner or later that one doesn't "pick a goal weight" like one picks the color of a new car.

Man, if I had a dollar for every critic who said this to me on these boards. It's a past time of a certain type of dieter....to send me hate mail and try to shame me for being outspoken.
"You're still overweight! You shouldn't be telling people what to do! How dare you not feel ashamed at that weight!"
Shakin my head over here.
If I wanted to be 140, I could be. Have been. Looked god-awful and felt like I was starving all the time.
If I wanted to be 160, I could be. Have been. I wasn't particularly hungry, got a reasonable number of calories, but thought I looked older.
I like a little more round to my angles. I like less sag, fewer wrinkles. Not real interested in cosmetic surgery. Picked the best option for me.
I like eating 1600 calories a day. I like having space in my diet for a couple pieces of fruit because I think phytonutrients are beneficial and important. I like how i feel eating a high Fiber diet. I like room to be a vegetarian some days. I like flexability. It's how I can face this as a lifelong change. It's how I can make peace with food forever....cause I know this plan is WORKABLE in pretty much all situations. I can eat on my plan during a holiday, a funeral, a birthday party....during a power outage, while recovering from an injury, during extreme emotional stress, on the road, and while dealing with my inlaws. LOL.
I typically weigh 165-170 pounds. I LOVE this weight. It is NOT "the best I could do because I couldn't get to a "healthy weight" ", it is an intentionally chosen set point. It's a choice. This is, I am 100% certain...the MOST healthy weight I can choose for myself.
That whole...Arnold Schwarzenegger's BMI was technically Obese when he won Mr. Universe figures in. BMI is flawed. It doesn't differentiate between light muscle frames and heavy muscle frames, bigger bones, smaller bones. Different ethnicities. Different body styles.
My feet, depending on the manufacturer are size 10 or 11. My shoulders are more broad than most men's my height. My butt, thighs and calves are overdeveloped because I rode huntseat and jumped horses for decades, even when I was quite heavy. My husband says they have a kinda superhero quality now. LOLOLOLOL
So here's the thing....If you feel inclined to send me a snarky note about how I shouldn't say anything....because I'm not American Media model skinny, you might have a problem.
As it happens, I have a good friend who models. He's 5' 10", weighs 157 pounds soaking wet, and they STILL wanted him to use coke for a week and fast...to look more sickly skinny for his last national ad campaign.
Our impression of body image in the media is grossly distorted and unhealthy.
And a lot of folks here....get a grossly distorted and unhealthy obsession with their eating habits, their BMI, the number on the scale, and how it defines them.
Please, please, please remember....health.
Physical health, strength, endurance, good labs, fewer medications.
Emotional health...loving yourself, enjoying your life, feeling challenged and happy.
Mental health...finding balance you can live with for a lifetime.
Love your strong healthy body. Love your good food choices that provide good nutrition to nurture that body. Love the flexability to make it work though the tough spots.
Avoid the fixations, the extremes, the inflexable rules, the disordered eating (and disordered not-eating)
You can trust yourself to get to where you need to be....without punishment.
Love yourself. Love yourself. Love yourself.

So here is my story and already I know your being able to help me is a long shot. I had my stomach stapled in 1999. I lost 100 pounds but the metal ring that was placed at the bottom of my stomach eroded through. Later I learned this is why they do not do this procedure anymore. I then had a conversion surgery to a gastric bypass in 2012. This was following the death of my daughter. I lost 30 pounds but that was from no appetite due to depression. I never had restriction from the surgery. I had a revision in 2020 (October)) again I have no restriction and am not losing weight. I have done everything I was told and it did not work again. Have you ever heard of this? My pouch is an appropriate size, but I can still eat? Why doesn’t it work for me? Why can I still eat? Do I need a ring or device to truly have restriction? I need some help and answers.

Meh, to each their own. But I'm tired of lying. These surgeries fix our stomachs, not our heads. Our heads will never be well if we keep lying. And we are CHAMPION liars about food and hunger (and fitness and body image, etc.) We're also prone to extreme thinking. If it's not one extreme it's the other. I want something truthful that is moderate and sane and not so EXTREME all the time.
1000 calories a day indefinately...is eventually called an eating disorder. We can't avoid food. We need to make peace with it and be honest about it.
If we've been lying about food and hunger to ourselves, we are much more at risk of regaining or developing an eating disorder in the other direction or another addiction.....which does happen.
I'm personally not interested in an eating disorder. I'm not interested in being someone who stands in the sun and believes the energy is flowing into me. LOLOLOLOL.
I have no interest in the nonsense of "skinny, perfect, beautiful". I like how I look, and I always have. Even when I was 270 pounds.
I want to be someone who is an average weight for a woman my age...who feels strong and healthy and has excellent labs and no medications. I want a long healthy life. I want to stop the weight obsession/identity/cycle of madness.
I want to be someone who relates to food in a normal way. Someone who can enjoy everything in moderation who has the self control to stop and self regulate. Someone who doesn't think about food every minute of the day.
And I think my chances of getting there are a hell of a lot better if I'm honest. So does my bariatric therapist.
I am nearly 50, and I'm just getting this figured out after a lifetime of diets and extreme thinking. I love my moderate, normal weight.... and my moderate normal eating habits.... and my moderate normal fitness.
Here's a current pic of me. Not perfect. Moderate. Normal. But exactly who I want to be:) And yep...this chick gets HUNGRY when she's not eating 1400-1600 calories a day:)

Isn't that strange?! Cuz our pouch is like the size of an egg, but I keep hearing this. I gotta get thru this isolating stage & I know my spirits will pick up. It has just been such a hard recovery for me and I wasn't prepared for that. I do NOT want to mess this up. I want to be a good patient and be successful..but still enjoy a taco, lol

You will be able to eat a taco again maybe even two. I can eat more with the RNY. Watch yourself.

Thank you for the encouragement. Can't wait to feel "normal"

All good vibes from us to you, @Plutonium
I'm on all liquids today and despite my disdain for Water I'm looking for 80 oz. I've had... 8. Baby steps, right? LOL

I had a revision October 29th last year and started at 185. The first month I lost just about 8 pounds, since it took a week and a half to loose the 10 pounds I gained in the hospital. After that, I started to see a steady drop, but like catwoman7, revision weight loss is definitely slower than the original sleeve.
Don't be discouraged, it will level out and the weight will drop. As someone on social media posted - "weight loss surgery is all about making better decisions" - about what we eat, how we exercise and how we view our health!

weight loss after revision is almost always slower than it is after a "virgin" surgery, and on top of that, you're starting off at a much lower weight than most of us, which also means slow weight loss. And...you're about three weeks out. Just in time for the infamous "three week stall" to boot.

yes, it can. It says on the bottle to not use it for more than something like 10 days without checking with your doctor, so check with him/her - but my doctor said that it's because some people might actually have some serious problem (and Constipation is just a side effect of) that really needs to be addressed by a doctor. In my case - no serious problem - so my doctor gave me the go-ahead to take it every day.

Well times have changed. I went for the 6 month checkup on 2/23, and was told to start taking the same Vitamins, but with 45 mgs of Iron. Now I am severely constipated. I am in a lot of pain, and have hemorrhoids so bad that I can barely sit down. I purposely ate more sugar to see if it would make me dump, and it has not worked. I am so frustrated right now.

I totally get you! I am 4 months out from a revision from sleeve to roux-Y-gastric bypass to address GERD /Heartburn/Reflux and ever since I have had the surgery I have had no restrictions once so ever. I can eat foods that I was not able to with the sleeve, I have no dumping issues, no problems once so ever with foods and I don't get the sensations of fullness that I got with the sleeve and it scares the crud out of me! I lost most of my weight with the sleeve and then more when I did the pre-op diet and then lost another 10 after surgery. I am currently stalled for the past 3 months but am only 9 lbs from goal weight. I fluctuate 9 lbs up and down depending on whether I have moved bowels or not, LOL - you guys get that. I track my foods and keep thinking I need to go back to the beginning and back to only eating around 800 or 600 calories if I want to lose that additional 9 lbs but I am having a tough time doing that. Probably if I go back to basics and do the pre op for two more weeks, I could achieve this but not sure I could maintain. It is just so frustrating to not have the restrictions. I am pleased that I am 16 lbs smaller on average then I was on the sleeve but I worry for how long will this last? And when I do eat instead of getting a warning that I am about full, I get a very sharp painful feel when I eat too much and I never know when that will be. But I definitely can eat more not that I am trying to overeat. I do try and control my amounts but at times find that I have eaten more than I planned and then I get mad at myself. I get jealous of the ones that talk about dumping and how their bodies reject things and wish mine did this as it seems like a great control and that their tool works better than mine? It amazes me when they talk about only being able to eat a couple of bites and being full as this seems so foreign to my body? So you are definitely not alone in this!

I got it from eating too much/taking one too many bites of food, because I didn't think I was eating enough Protein. I should have just stopped when I felt full, but didn't. I started sweating profusely, feeling light headed, then had really bad cramps, followed by pooping my brains out. You would have thought I learned my lesson, but then did it again, and again. I also got it when I ate too many Snacks at night. I have not done it now for about a week or so. I am 6 months out now, and at this point I believe I have learned my lesson.

I’m thankful for every little thing these days! It may be painful for me if the amount was more so I need to be careful. Thank you

Thank you! It gives me hope that it will work. I've been reading the articles that OAGBPal sent a link to that is also very interesting. Definitely feeling better about it than I was just a few days ago.

I lost 16 pounds my first two weeks then nothing for a month. My surgery was just on 12/17/2020 I was 247 day of surgery, 231 January 1 until about February 5th. I’m currently at 223. So, I’m going down again, slowly, but it’s going...I’m also not following any sort of structured diet other than the recommended foods from my dietician.

all of us worry about the long term. We just have to remember why we started. We both know this is just a tool, and not the tool we got used to before.

I see the surgery more as a strong tail wind that helped me to get to where wanted to go - but I had to do a lot of the work. I don't really eat until I feel restriction, because at that point, I've overeaten and there's a risk of it coming back up. "Full" cues are often different after RNY than they were before, and it takes awhile to figure out what they are. I usually just eat as much as I know I'm supposed to eat (which I pretty much know having been at it for almost six years), but when I do overdo it and get to the point where I'm feeling some pressure in my chest - or a bit uncomfortable - I know I need to stop RIGHT THEN or I'm going to be sorry.
Granted, I had a virgin surgery - not a revision - so it may be different for revisionists.

Thank you!!! It really does help! And thanks for the link. I'm going to read every article!

I would guess that a whole lot of people on this forum have tried Weight Watchers, NutriSystem, Jenny Craig, etc. I have. If I could just stick to the program I never would have needed surgery. This was supposed to be the tool that was going to make me stick to it. Now I feel like I don't have that. I'm so sad that I went through this invasive surgery for what seems like no good reason. I mean literally crying, sad. I'm losing weight now, but I'm worried about 5 years from now, or 10 years from now...

I hope you don’t leave this forum forever. I’m right there with you. I was revised to RNY from a lap band and my idea of “restriction” left with my band. I don’t feel “restriction” now. And many people who haven’t had a revision don’t understand what a shock the change can be. My cue now is more like “uff, I don’t want to eat anymore”. Not a “full” feeling, not a restriction as I knew it. I’m afraid of eating too much too. I follow my program, like you do, and feel like I could keep eating no problem. The only thing that I think has helped me is using a food scale and measuring the food, then eating only that. Even after measuring I don’t feel full, but I’m also not hungry because of the surgery, so I know eating more would be to satiate head hunger. Please don’t be discouraged. Keep reaching out for help and resources.

Hello all!
I had gastric sleeve back in 2013. The weight slowly started to creep back on. Then, due to a number of circumstances, it ALL came back. For years I was having terrible heartburn/reflux, so my insurance paid for me to have revision surgery to gastric bypass.
I had the surgery 6 weeks ago (Jan 11th). I have never felt any restriction at all! At first I though it was because it was all liquids or mushy food. But for the last 2 weeks I've been eating chicken, crab meat, hamburgers (no bun), etc., and have not had anything that didn't agree with me. I can eat way more than what my list calls for, too. I only stop because I'm not hungry, or I'm tired of chewing.
I'm so sad about this. I'm worried that I'm going to fail again. I know I have to be accountable to myself, but if I was good at that I wouldn't have needed surgery... I just had such high hopes that with this tool I would get it right this time.

No vomiting for me either. Made the mistake of overeating twice and will never do it again. I also dump from sugar substitutes like erythritol and most dairy/dairy substitutes. I've always had an issue with milk, but holy moly has it gotten exponentially worse. I've also had to take it super slow on a bunch of different foods and am just now adding more raw veggies/salads in (at 5 months out).
BUT, I still haven't had any GERD, which is the primary reason I had revision, and I've lost about 65 lbs since the week prior to revision, so I'm pretty happy with the results!