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WInner winner chicken dinner.
Sigh.

I don't care about the flak...I'm fed up. And I'm ranting about it. I see these people here, in my support group, in the waiting room at my doctor's office...they're everywhere. Complaining, whining, justifying their own crappy choices by asking others to validate them. I'm raising two sons to NOT be backseat drivers to their choices, to not blame their self-created misfortune on others...it's a personal peeve of mine. YMMV, of course.

I would suggest u quit now and be completely honest with ur surgeon bc it's not just ur life at risk on the table but the life's of everyone on that operating team if something happens to you that is affected by it. I quit cold turkey the day after my first appointment 7 months ago. I still crave one over 50% of the time but I also see how much healthier I feel and how less often I'm sick!! My surgery is also on the 22nd!! Gl
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Just spent an hour of my life I'll never get back reading in the Pre-/Post-Op Sleeve forums and I'm amazed by what people will still, even as they're undertaking MAJOR SURGERY, say to justify their behavior.

There are people about to have most of their stomach removed who say "I don't have a problem with food". Say what?? I'm pretty sure the Fat Fairy didn't put all this weight on any of us, right? "I couldn't stop myself". Yes, you could have...you DIDN'T. "Everyone does it". No, they don't. YOU did.
As I'm typing this out, it's clear that I'm fed up with the lack of ownership of behavior. It's odd to watch fat people trying to float the same justifications here that they've used for years with other people. Walking into a group of fat people and saying "I don't have a problem with food" is pretty ridiculous...that dog just won't hunt here. If you can't be honest with yourself and a group of people much like yourself, how can you succeed with WLS? The non-ownership of our own actions and capabilities is what got many (most?) of us to where we are and it kills me that there are people STILL wallowing in the 'I don't control myself' pool who are getting WLS. What a waste.

After a long long road, i get a call yesterday and i finally have my insurance approval!! Surgery date is Dec 27th!! I cannot wait!! I will keep you all posted!!

U look great any skin surgeries?
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Maybe pop some Xanax and just skip it.... Just kidding.... I am going to avoid and emotional and stress eating!!!!

I'm just gonna skip dinner and drink all night. Heavily.

Does Pepto Bismol have carbs? :-)
I definitely have my choice, and have already voted in fact, but I have never in my 41 years been more ready for something to be over than I am this entire spectacle!!

I have my surgery on the 22 but I have high bp fibromyalgia degenerative disc disease depression and anxiety
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I'm nov 22
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I am not allowed rice so be sure to check your plan. There's so many good options. Ham salad, chicken salad, turkey meatballs with gravy (brown or tomato), soft cheese, refried Beans with cheese & sour cream, pulled pork or chicken, deli meat, chili, cottage cheese, hamburger...

Alcohol should definitely not be in the pre-op diet. Alcohol is known to cause liver inflammation that lasts up to a couple of weeks.

I know everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes but I want to share something my surgeon has told me that when I start my pre next week it's gunna help me make the right choices. Last year they had someone that cheated on they're diet and never told them to make a long story short they almost lost her. She was in the icu for three months. U have to think u r not just risking ur life. But everyone in that surgical room is put at risk also. Just imagine they're discussions when something goes wrong in there. can we save her. We have to save her. How will they live everyday seeing that girl in they're head if they hadn't saved her. Bc of her own mistake they were all put at stake. The nurses the surgical team EVERYONE. Not hounding on anyone but before you make your decisions maybe think of that scenario and that it's not just ur life that can be affected by ur choice. Gl to all and hope that helps bc it definitely is gunna help me!!
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I do!!! Like a real, live in paper degree! Eight plus years worth of it!!!! From a real university!
And guess what? @@LipstickLady has NEVER given out medical advise, she has ONLY spoken of her OWN experience and people like you do nothing but flame and cause issues.
So, if this is how YOU treat any actual patients in your care, with this negative, nasty attitude, please let me know where you practice so I make certain I do not refer anyone your way going forward.
I believe it is time for YOU to move along.
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I know everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes but I want to share something my surgeon has told me that when I start my pre next week it's gunna help me make the right choices. Last year they had someone that cheated on they're diet and never told them to make a long story short they almost lost her. She was in the icu for three months. U have to think u r not just risking ur life. But everyone in that surgical room is put at risk also. Just imagine they're discussions when something goes wrong in there. can we save her. We have to save her. How will they live everyday seeing that girl in they're head if they hadn't saved her. Bc of her own mistake they were all put at stake. The nurses the surgical team EVERYONE. Not hounding on anyone but before you make your decisions maybe think of that scenario and that it's not just ur life that can be affected by ur choice. Gl to all and hope that helps bc it definitely is gunna help me!!
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I was lucky in that my surgeon doesn't do a strict pre-op diet. She recommends replacing 2 meals with Protein shakes, and having one "healthy" meal a day, plus "healthy snacks" as needed. I probably wasn't eating as healthy as she had in mind, but I did the best I could. She said she has found that unless someone clearly has fatty liver disease, the pre-op diets don't make that much difference as far as liver size or safety in surgery. The only thing she's definite on is not eating or drinking 12 hours before surgery which is standard so the stomach is empty since that's what's being operated on, plus anything on the stomach can cause problems with anesthesia.
The pre-op diet was the hardest part for me, because before surgery there's nothing to curb the cravings and hunger drives. Even just trying to keep things "healthy" and only have my shakes for Breakfast and lunch was hard. I certainly wasn't perfect in those two weeks, but I did the best I could. Doc said my liver was fine, there were no complications.
I agree with @@LipstickLady that we need to get away from the idea of "cheating". We're all adults here, it's not like we are getting away with anything like in school. Our choices have consequences, and my choices will be different from yours. I do not severely restrict carbs. I eat bread and rice and fruit. That's because I get violently ill in ketogenesis, and my doctor and I agree on my eating plan. Other people function best when they don't eat carbs, and/or are working with a surgical team that has a different approach (e.g. ketogenic).
I made the choice to eat chocolate cake this weekend for my birthday. In fact, I didn't track a single thing I ate this weekend, and didn't worry about Protein goals or calorie counts or anything else. What's different about now vs. before surgery is that I only ate what I wanted, and I listened to my body about when I was done. I even learned that for anything that sugary, more than about 2 bites makes me miserable. Won't do that again. I don't think I "cheated" or that I need to confess it. I made a choice. I don't regret it, and certainly don't need anyone's approval. Some people here might think I'm crazy for doing that during my weight loss period, but it's the choice *I* made, and I get to deal with the consequences. I figured I'd gain a pound or two, or at least stay where I was, but I actually lost a pound over the weekend. I attribute that to eating mostly on plan even though I didn't track, and not going overboard with the indulgence. It may catch up to me in the end, it may not. Either way, I made a choice.
Where I really think the concept of "cheating" is dangerous is when it comes to post-op diet advancement. "Cheating" there is about compromising safety and recovery, and is so much more than just "being naughty". Eating something you haven't been cleared for can have deadly consequences. I think that's why so many of the vets here are seen as being harsh and judgmental about "cheating".
As a nurse, I shudder every time I see someone talking about eating steak or tacos or whatever 3 days out or 1 week out or whatever amount of time out but they haven't been cleared for it by their docs. And I want to scream at people who then come behind that person and say "it's OK, you're just human", or worse "I did that, and I'm fine." It sends the absolute wrong message to other people who are struggling post-op and want to "cheat" on their diet advancement plan. I have treated patients who were in their late 90's and in excellent health who drank whiskey and ate bacon every day of their life. That doesn't mean drinking whiskey and eating bacon every day is a good health choice just because this one person did it and had no issues. One person can eat something with seeds 3 days out and have no apparent ill effects. Another can eat the same thing the same 3 days out and have a life-threatening abscess. And no, I'm not being dramatic. People have literally died or come close to it because they violated the diet advancement their doctor gave them.
The person who chose to eat something before their doc said OK doesn't need to be shamed, but they do need to be told that it could be dangerous and that they need to check with their doc's office at the very least to find out what signs or symptoms they should be looking for to indicate a serious problem. And the other newbies reading the thread need to get the message clear and loud that it's not "cheating" post-op, it's playing with your life. As much as I was desperate for something pureed or something to chew when I was on my liquid restrictions post-op, I dug down and figured out how to push through because it wasn't about "cheating" it was about my safety.
I know this thread isn't about post-op, but every time I see a vet getting bashed for giving what some see as "judgemental" advice it frankly hacks me off. There are vets who I'm sure cringe every time I post about eating carbs. Even if they posted judgemental things about my statements, I wouldn't bash them because they're operating from what they were taught by their teams, and what they learned through their experience. They may be right. They certainly have the experience of successful weight loss and maintenance, and I don't. Until I'm sitting at my goal weight 3 years post-op, I'm swinging in the dark at this. I try to make that clear when I post advice... that I'm just a beginner at this process. I have access to medical materials that inform me, but that doesn't replace direct experience. The people who have been successful at this have the most direct experience, and they need to feel free to share it without being bashed.
(stepping off the soap box)

I know everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes but I want to share something my surgeon has told me that when I start my pre next week it's gunna help me make the right choices. Last year they had someone that cheated on they're diet and never told them to make a long story short they almost lost her. She was in the icu for three months. U have to think u r not just risking ur life. But everyone in that surgical room is put at risk also. Just imagine they're discussions when something goes wrong in there. can we save her. We have to save her. How will they live everyday seeing that girl in they're head if they hadn't saved her. Bc of her own mistake they were all put at stake. The nurses the surgical team EVERYONE. Not hounding on anyone but before you make your decisions maybe think of that scenario and that it's not just ur life that can be affected by ur choice. Gl to all and hope that helps bc it definitely is gunna help me!!
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Sooooo..... Did anyone ever have the, "what happens when you ASSUME things" talk with you???.. might just want to review it before you make public posts. Just a thought. Sent from Dee~Dee via BariatricPal

It's completely normal to think and rethink it I started looking into doing this 5 years ago had the paper work to inquire about it had a referral my dr suggested it in five years my fibromyalgia got worse bc my weight got heavier I was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease which took its toll bc of my weight. High blood pressure and most of all my energy depleted bc of all my health problems I then started getting depressed bc of being in pain all the time bc of how much weight I'm carrying around I want me back nov 22 will start my journey to get the old me back I'm taking my life back I wouldn't care if King Kong looked at me and said ur not fat enough I love my life I feel my pain and I want me back again not only for my happiness but so my kids have they're mom to walk them down the isle one day. Only you know how you feel I WISH I would never have backed out then 80 more lbs heavier and now I'm doing it. You always have support on here. Do what makes you happy and healthy!!! Best of luck on your journey!!!
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Congrats mine is nov 22!!
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Congrats mine is nov 22!!
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I'm so glad I was so worried from all the stories I've seen from people who met all they're requirements and then went they 6 months of appointments and everything and was denied. But it was approved in less then 3 days !!! November 22 here I come and nothing can stop me now!!!
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So I start my preop diet on nov 8 and have my surgery a couple days before thanksgiving my mother inlaw knows the one thing I look forward to every thanksgiving is her home made stuffing. THE BEST!! She told me she is making me some this weekend so I can have it one last time before my surgery and my diet starts. I love her!!!
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They couldn't handle our jobs lol jk
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