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Strawberries yes! Sliced and slightly smashed and tossed and keep in a container in the fridge with the balsamic and swerve!

Plenty of us who eat that way aren’t retainers either though. It’s not a road that’s doomed to fail.

I think as we study and learn more we will be able to tell by your genes who will do well on what diet. But we are still in the dark ages.

There isn’t any one size fits all. I did the high carb low fat diets in the 90’s and those always ended in me falling off the wagon and regaining. I was quite strict on the low carb train till I got to goal. I’m still pretty low carb but I don’t stress about them a bit here and there.

I’m five year out and it works just great for me.

I know your plan is working for you (so far). Can’t we just all realize that there is no one size fits all answer? I know you’re certain your plan will be the answer for you. And time will tell, but since I think a big part of this is mental, I think it will.

But you make it sound like being a “carb nazi” means you’re doomed to fail.

I didn’t.  It’s not a stop gap measure for me.  It’s a lifestyle change and it works just fine. 

Exercise and fitness is a huge part of my life now and I do believe it helps me maintain. But overall, I still believe it was what I ate that was the largest part of my weight loss. I subscribe to the "Weight is lost in the kitchen, not the gym" philosophy and the one the running community uses "you can't outrun your fork." Exercise is for health and fitness, diet (in the "what you eat" not the "what you don't eat" definition) is for weight loss. My personal opinion and experience.
That said, exercise is part of my surgeon's plan. In addition to all the other pre op tests and such, one must do 1-3 visits at the physical therapy/fitness training department at the hospital. They do a baseline fitness assessment and then set goals for you post op.
I can't really speak to what the follow up with that department is like, I think it can exist as part of the surgeon's plan, but I started couch to 5k and yoga soon after surgery and discussed that at my post op visits. The people at the fitness center knew that was my post op plan so they couched their advice with "this is probably too basic for you..." and "I know you have your own plans, but..." which was honestly odd to me because I had never run or done yoga so how did I know that is what I was gonna do and more importantly how did THEY know or trust that I would? So I do feel like there is a weird disconnect happening with the program. Would you trust an almost 300lb person who has never run or done yoga to follow through on that? I wouldn't!
Anyhow, a brief discussion is part of every follow up with my surgeon. I don't know how the follow up would go if I hadn't been doing anything, but since I was telling him about my running and yoga the discussions were brief. By my six month follow up I was telling him about the half marathon I had run and the 3-4 hours of yoga classes per week, He was great with that. So I don't know if fitness is a really integral part of his program and he just didn't need to stress it with me, or if it's just a small part of the conversation with everyone.
As for %.... I honestly think that like with most of this, there is no one answer. Different people with different genetics will have different needs and different results. I think as science advances what we will learn is how to determine the best plan for individuals. My sister builds muscle in seconds and takes forever to lose it. She also works in a field where functional fitness is part of her job (a former poster on here used to work with horses and it was the same thing...no need for a formal exercise plan). I take FOREVER to build muscle and if I don't use it I will lose it overnight.

Just an interesting factoid...I know it’s more than calories in and calories out... I also know muscle raises your RMR and burns more calories at rest. But still.... running (or walking) burns about 100 calories per mile (running just finishes the mile faster).

Think how long it takes you to eat 100 calories versus walk or run a mile.

So yeah way more complex than just that, but that’s why I firmly rest in the can’t outrun your fork camp... even after surgery.

Exercise and fitness is a huge part of my life now and I do believe it helps me maintain. But overall, I still believe it was what I ate that was the largest part of my weight loss. I subscribe to the "Weight is lost in the kitchen, not the gym" philosophy and the one the running community uses "you can't outrun your fork." Exercise is for health and fitness, diet (in the "what you eat" not the "what you don't eat" definition) is for weight loss. My personal opinion and experience.
That said, exercise is part of my surgeon's plan. In addition to all the other pre op tests and such, one must do 1-3 visits at the physical therapy/fitness training department at the hospital. They do a baseline fitness assessment and then set goals for you post op.
I can't really speak to what the follow up with that department is like, I think it can exist as part of the surgeon's plan, but I started couch to 5k and yoga soon after surgery and discussed that at my post op visits. The people at the fitness center knew that was my post op plan so they couched their advice with "this is probably too basic for you..." and "I know you have your own plans, but..." which was honestly odd to me because I had never run or done yoga so how did I know that is what I was gonna do and more importantly how did THEY know or trust that I would? So I do feel like there is a weird disconnect happening with the program. Would you trust an almost 300lb person who has never run or done yoga to follow through on that? I wouldn't!
Anyhow, a brief discussion is part of every follow up with my surgeon. I don't know how the follow up would go if I hadn't been doing anything, but since I was telling him about my running and yoga the discussions were brief. By my six month follow up I was telling him about the half marathon I had run and the 3-4 hours of yoga classes per week, He was great with that. So I don't know if fitness is a really integral part of his program and he just didn't need to stress it with me, or if it's just a small part of the conversation with everyone.
As for %.... I honestly think that like with most of this, there is no one answer. Different people with different genetics will have different needs and different results. I think as science advances what we will learn is how to determine the best plan for individuals. My sister builds muscle in seconds and takes forever to lose it. She also works in a field where functional fitness is part of her job (a former poster on here used to work with horses and it was the same thing...no need for a formal exercise plan). I take FOREVER to build muscle and if I don't use it I will lose it overnight.

Just an interesting factoid...I know it’s more than calories in and calories out... I also know muscle raises your RMR and burns more calories at rest. But still.... running (or walking) burns about 100 calories per mile (running just finishes the mile faster).

Think how long it takes you to eat 100 calories versus walk or run a mile.

So yeah way more complex than just that, but that’s why I firmly rest in the can’t outrun your fork camp... even after surgery.

Exercise and fitness is a huge part of my life now and I do believe it helps me maintain. But overall, I still believe it was what I ate that was the largest part of my weight loss. I subscribe to the "Weight is lost in the kitchen, not the gym" philosophy and the one the running community uses "you can't outrun your fork." Exercise is for health and fitness, diet (in the "what you eat" not the "what you don't eat" definition) is for weight loss. My personal opinion and experience.
That said, exercise is part of my surgeon's plan. In addition to all the other pre op tests and such, one must do 1-3 visits at the physical therapy/fitness training department at the hospital. They do a baseline fitness assessment and then set goals for you post op.
I can't really speak to what the follow up with that department is like, I think it can exist as part of the surgeon's plan, but I started couch to 5k and yoga soon after surgery and discussed that at my post op visits. The people at the fitness center knew that was my post op plan so they couched their advice with "this is probably too basic for you..." and "I know you have your own plans, but..." which was honestly odd to me because I had never run or done yoga so how did I know that is what I was gonna do and more importantly how did THEY know or trust that I would? So I do feel like there is a weird disconnect happening with the program. Would you trust an almost 300lb person who has never run or done yoga to follow through on that? I wouldn't!
Anyhow, a brief discussion is part of every follow up with my surgeon. I don't know how the follow up would go if I hadn't been doing anything, but since I was telling him about my running and yoga the discussions were brief. By my six month follow up I was telling him about the half marathon I had run and the 3-4 hours of yoga classes per week, He was great with that. So I don't know if fitness is a really integral part of his program and he just didn't need to stress it with me, or if it's just a small part of the conversation with everyone.
As for %.... I honestly think that like with most of this, there is no one answer. Different people with different genetics will have different needs and different results. I think as science advances what we will learn is how to determine the best plan for individuals. My sister builds muscle in seconds and takes forever to lose it. She also works in a field where functional fitness is part of her job (a former poster on here used to work with horses and it was the same thing...no need for a formal exercise plan). I take FOREVER to build muscle and if I don't use it I will lose it overnight.

This! Exercise is important, and is stressed at my follow up visits, but I believe exercise helps you be fit, and diet helps to lose or maintain weight. To a small extent, you can probably eat a little bit more if you are exercising heavily, but it's true that you can eat many more calories in much less time and with less effort than it takes to burn them off.
I am a cardio person, I like cardio - running, hiking, aerobics and zumba classes, etc. I know I need to work more on muscle building. But...
I have to ask, for those of you who are very active or do a lot of workouts, do you work outside of the home? Because I am struggling with building a consistent workout routine around my work schedule. I work long shifts, and my schedule differs each week, and on the days I work it is so hard to try to get a work out in, I'm just exhausted. I'm also busy on my days off with different things, but I try to at least go run or if it fits in my schedule to take a class at the gym, but I'm not consistently working out. For those who work, how do you commit to an exercise routine and still get everything else done?
Sometimes I wish I could be a kept woman and just worry about focusing on my exercise and diet!

My hospital didn’t. Neither did my docs office. My plastic surgeon did. My endocrine surgeon didn’t. Varies by hospital/surgery center.

I mean I get it that some of them want to cover themselves and don’t want to take your word for it... but some do take your word for it. It’s not consistent. In case you’re wondering I was over 40 post menopause and had my tubes tied. So 🤷🏼‍♀️

I get that you are trying to point out what you see as a double standard... but having WLS with an STD doesn’t put lives at risk in the same way. It just isn’t similar. No one is gonna sue them later for it either. And they don’t test women for STD’s pre op and we get them too.

Just an interesting factoid...I know it’s more than calories in and calories out... I also know muscle raises your RMR and burns more calories at rest. But still.... running (or walking) burns about 100 calories per mile (running just finishes the mile faster).

Think how long it takes you to eat 100 calories versus walk or run a mile.

So yeah way more complex than just that, but that’s why I firmly rest in the can’t outrun your fork camp... even after surgery.

Exercise and fitness is a huge part of my life now and I do believe it helps me maintain. But overall, I still believe it was what I ate that was the largest part of my weight loss. I subscribe to the "Weight is lost in the kitchen, not the gym" philosophy and the one the running community uses "you can't outrun your fork." Exercise is for health and fitness, diet (in the "what you eat" not the "what you don't eat" definition) is for weight loss. My personal opinion and experience.
That said, exercise is part of my surgeon's plan. In addition to all the other pre op tests and such, one must do 1-3 visits at the physical therapy/fitness training department at the hospital. They do a baseline fitness assessment and then set goals for you post op.
I can't really speak to what the follow up with that department is like, I think it can exist as part of the surgeon's plan, but I started couch to 5k and yoga soon after surgery and discussed that at my post op visits. The people at the fitness center knew that was my post op plan so they couched their advice with "this is probably too basic for you..." and "I know you have your own plans, but..." which was honestly odd to me because I had never run or done yoga so how did I know that is what I was gonna do and more importantly how did THEY know or trust that I would? So I do feel like there is a weird disconnect happening with the program. Would you trust an almost 300lb person who has never run or done yoga to follow through on that? I wouldn't!
Anyhow, a brief discussion is part of every follow up with my surgeon. I don't know how the follow up would go if I hadn't been doing anything, but since I was telling him about my running and yoga the discussions were brief. By my six month follow up I was telling him about the half marathon I had run and the 3-4 hours of yoga classes per week, He was great with that. So I don't know if fitness is a really integral part of his program and he just didn't need to stress it with me, or if it's just a small part of the conversation with everyone.
As for %.... I honestly think that like with most of this, there is no one answer. Different people with different genetics will have different needs and different results. I think as science advances what we will learn is how to determine the best plan for individuals. My sister builds muscle in seconds and takes forever to lose it. She also works in a field where functional fitness is part of her job (a former poster on here used to work with horses and it was the same thing...no need for a formal exercise plan). I take FOREVER to build muscle and if I don't use it I will lose it overnight.

5 oz plain Fage Greek yogurt with macerated strawberries in balsamic and swerve fake sugar with almond slivers. I will snack on this all afternoon till I finish.

A somewhat related pet peeve of yours truly. If ONE MORE doctor's office asks me if I have had a hysterectomy, I WILL SCREAM!
Bariatric Surgeon- okay
Urologist/Nephrologist maybe okay
Even PCP that I can condone
But an Orthopaedic surgeon or an Otolaryntologist WTF do THEY have in mind? Maybe I had better not Hang Around and Find Out?😥💦😪

I get that you are trying to point out what you see as a double standard... but having WLS with an STD doesn’t put lives at risk in the same way. It just isn’t similar. No one is gonna sue them later for it either. And they don’t test women for STD’s pre op and we get them too.

Oh well I didn’t even include my wrist surgeries—three of them, two surgery centers, no test. But like I said my plastic surgeon ran one both times. So I think different places just had different policies. Because as you can see lots of older women had to have them too.

I was just reacting to your post that said definitely. I think very few things in this life are definite.

My hospital didn’t. Neither did my docs office. My plastic surgeon did. My endocrine surgeon didn’t. Varies by hospital/surgery center.

I mean I get it that some of them want to cover themselves and don’t want to take your word for it... but some do take your word for it. It’s not consistent. In case you’re wondering I was over 40 post menopause and had my tubes tied. So 🤷🏼‍♀️

Hope nobody plans to do a pregnancy test on me . At 72 a waste of their time and my insurances 💰.😝👣😝

Even with birth control should have been using condoms particularly if its just a hook up - safe sex doesn't mean just protection from pregnancy. Even if condoms are not fun for anyone, I would think catching a sexually transmitted disease wouldn't be fun as well.

Salmon croquette, shredded purple cabbage, redbean stew, cottage cheese

In general now that I’m in maintenance the Protein in any meal has to be higher than the carbs. And in general I try not to drink my carbs. During the loss phase it was more like a 4:1 or even 5:1 ratio protein to carbs. I ate very little carbs and they were mostly from
dairy and green veggies.

My surgeon has a low carb plan.

Are you willing to join these before and after photos that showcase your diet? I started this thread because it focuses on something very positive and it has nothing to do with how a person looks.

5 oz plain Fage Greek yogurt with macerated strawberries in balsamic and swerve fake sugar with almond slivers. I will snack on this all afternoon till I finish.

We went out to Breakfast for my mother in law’s birthday this am. I did what I often do at restaurants and just got an extra plate and people shared with me. Half a scrambled egg... quarter of a slice whole wheat toast, a bite of hash browns and smoked tri tip (the piece was maybe 2-3oz... this place has incredible smoked tri tip). You can see I are maybe a third of the carb servings and 2/3 of the Protein.< br />
This time my 15 year old didn’t finish it though because he had a HUGE breakfast burrito that he couldn’t even finish.

5 oz plain Fage Greek yogurt with macerated strawberries in balsamic and swerve fake sugar with almond slivers. I will snack on this all afternoon till I finish.