This is a spin-off of the accidentally deleted thread "Imposters piss me off."

Every so often, I go over to OH, even though I hate it, just to see if anything useful has been posted. Afterwards, I mentally slap myself. Every. Single. Time. It's a damn good thing that I had my account there deleted. If I hadn't, I probably would have been banned by now. Either I read a post by SandyR (I try to avoid them, but some sneak through when I'm not expecting it) that makes me want to slap her and shake the people that actually listen to her or I run across a thread containing an online WWIII over some stupid thing. (Today it was one where someone had the audacity [gasp!] to say that they didn't feel a lot of sympathy for people who buy something they really can't afford, default on their loans, and subsequently have their possessions repo'd - apparently that didn't go over well.) :speechles

Every time I go over there, I wonder why I did. But I guess I continue to think that there might be some redeeming feature to the forum (every so often, a decent bit of advice gets posted). :phanvan

It's not a lower body lift, just a TT. I may regret it later but I think that will be okay. I have some problems with my thighs but I have never been one to wear shorts anyway. I only have problems with my upper inner thighs. No butt problems. Just my big fat saggy gut. It's my gut that is making me crazy and I can't stand to look at it. So since it is a TT vs. lower body lift the breast surgery would be doable. I'd rather get it over with all at once. So I really need to make a decision.

Another thing, the implants I want most docs don't use. I don't want those huge moons that stick out of my chest (I have photos of examples if anyone is interested) and I don't want huge cones either. I want something that looks a lot more natural. Dr. Bello doesn't like the implants that I want. He uses the moons. So, that's another issue.

Are you wanting the tear-drop shaped ones, or is it something else?

Well, you've said (at least, I think it was you that said it) in the past that you only wanted to do either one or two surgeries (or at least, go under anesthesia) after banding. If there's more that you want to have done, and you still want to limit the number of times under anesthesia, I'd go ahead and do it. I mean, there's always going to be advances in medicine. If you put off surgeries just because you worry about what may happen in the future, you'd never have surgery. And hell, you'll be in pain anyway, might as well go whole hog.

My limit is two surgeries. I don't like the Michael Jackson look.

One surgeon is very conservative that I went to for a consult and she won't even consider a face lift. She said there is nothing to lift. Since I have been losing weight I have this rooster thing under my chin and it's bugging me. She said she won't do a face lift. The doc in the US is a friend of mine and I wouldn't DREAM of going to him, he's a crappy doc. But he would do a breast job on a corpse if he got paid for it and he's willing to do the face lift. The Mexicali surgeon doesn't think a face lift is necessary at this time. So that leaves TT and boobs.

Thing about the boob job is that some say after about 10 years scar tissue forms around the implants (regardless of which type/brand of implants) and they get lumpy and painful and need to be replaced. Others say that isn't true because the implants are under the muscle now vs. over the muscle.

Most of all my issue is that I want the implants that I want. The natural looking ones, not the cones or moons. Do I want a surgeon that doesn't like those implants and doesn't have much experience with them?

One of the big factors in my going to this particular surgeon is that my band surgeon will be in the OR with him. Not that he can do anything, it's more of a thing where I'd just feel better with him in there. So I need to choose a plastics guy from THAT hospital. My band surgeon is also a certified trauma surgeon. If I throw a clot or have some odd complication I want him handling the complications, not the plastics guy.

I just can't decide what to do.

Are you wanting the tear-drop shaped ones, or is it something else?

YEAH! That's a better way to describe them. Here are examples:

Moons:

http://breastimplants411.com/dbii/dr%5CSchwartz_814/18-a1.jpg

Cones:

http://www.advanced-art.com/Aug/aug8-lat-post-inset.jpg

More natural:

http://breastimplants411.com/dbii/dr%5CEdwards_939/19-a2.jpg

http://breastimplants411.com/dbii/dr%5CSlack_791/09-a2.jpg

The more natural ones aren't quite what I'm looking for (above) but I can't find the photos of the ones I prefer.

My limit is two surgeries. I don't like the Michael Jackson look.

One surgeon is very conservative that I went to for a consult and she won't even consider a face lift. She said there is nothing to lift. Since I have been losing weight I have this rooster thing under my chin and it's bugging me. She said she won't do a face lift. The doc in the US is a friend of mine and I wouldn't DREAM of going to him, he's a crappy doc. But he would do a breast job on a corpse if he got paid for it and he's willing to do the face lift. The Mexicali surgeon doesn't think a face lift is necessary at this time. So that leaves TT and boobs.

Thing about the boob job is that some say after about 10 years scar tissue forms around the implants (regardless of which type/brand of implants) and they get lumpy and painful and need to be replaced. Others say that isn't true because the implants are under the muscle now vs. over the muscle.

Most of all my issue is that I want the implants that I want. The natural looking ones, not the cones or moons. Do I want a surgeon that doesn't like those implants and doesn't have much experience with them?

One of the big factors in my going to this particular surgeon is that my band surgeon will be in the OR with him. Not that he can do anything, it's more of a thing where I'd just feel better with him in there. So I need to choose a plastics guy from THAT hospital. My band surgeon is also a certified trauma surgeon. If I throw a clot or have some odd complication I want him handling the complications, not the plastics guy.

I just can't decide what to do.

I would find someone that is experienced with the type that you want. You're spending hard-earned money for this, you should get what you want. Honestly, I'd try to do both the TT and boob job at the same time, if you might want more work done in the future. Are there any other plastics guys at the hospital you want? Or are you basically stuck with him or no one?

YEAH! That's a better way to describe them. Here are examples:

Moons:

http://breastimplants411.com/dbii/dr%5CSchwartz_814/18-a1.jpg

Cones:

http://www.advanced-art.com/Aug/aug8-lat-post-inset.jpg

More natural:

http://breastimplants411.com/dbii/dr%5CEdwards_939/19-a2.jpg

http://breastimplants411.com/dbii/dr%5CSlack_791/09-a2.jpg

The more natural ones aren't quite what I'm looking for (above) but I can't find the photos of the ones I prefer.

DEFINITELY go with the tear-drop shaped ones. The moons are fugly, and the cones look straight out of the '40s/'50s.

I would find someone that is experienced with the type that you want. You're spending hard-earned money for this, you should get what you want. Honestly, I'd try to do both the TT and boob job at the same time, if you might want more work done in the future. Are there any other plastics guys at the hospital you want? Or are you basically stuck with him or no one?

I am currently looking for another plastics guy from that hospital. But I want a referral from my band surgeon, meaning... I want him to refer me to someone he knows personally and has seen the work. But my band surgeon is out of town this week so I have to wait until next week before I can find out if there is anyone else he would suggest.

Of course, the above is assuming that you don't want to look like a porn star or an '80s Madonna.

DEFINITELY go with the tear-drop shaped ones. The moons are fugly, and the cones look straight out of the '40s/'50s.

HA!!!! That is *exactly* what I have been saying. The moons are fugly and the cones look like the soap stars from the 50s. Boobs are supposed to sag a LITTLE (not quite like what mine appear now). That's a more natural look that I want.

When I hit goal (and have enough money saved), I'm probably going to have a boob job (and a TT, also, if my skin doesn't bounce back). My boobs have NEVER been perky. The damn things are naturally saggy, I think.

My girls are definitely heading south! I am not planning on any plastics at this time although my arms are getting that "bat wing" thing going on too. I am only about halfway to goal so I might reserve my decision for later....

My girls are definitely heading south! I am not planning on any plastics at this time although my arms are getting that "bat wing" thing going on too. I am only about halfway to goal so I might reserve my decision for later....

I didn't realize how horrible everything would look after weight loss. I had a much different vision. I can live with the boobs (Wonder Bras are amazing!) but my stomach... it's just gross.

All this talk of boobs and tummies got us side tracked LOL.

Back to the original topic of OH.....I feel like that if I had been duped by Sandy, I would be embarassed and hurt. Most victims of scam artists feel ashamed to tell anyone. Even if ALL her advice is good (which it apparently is not), the fact that she misrepresented herself daily should be a peek into her character...right? I think in most forums, she would at least be called out. I cannot find on OH where anyone got an answer other than ...."of course I am licensed". Usually the poor OP was accosted by a barage of "protectors". Sandy was never made to answer for her actions. If she really wants to turn over a new leaf (which she has never even said by the way), a public apology and explanation on OH would be a good start.....IMO.

All this talk of boobs and tummies got us side tracked LOL.

Back to the original topic of OH.....I feel like that if I had been duped by Sandy, I would be embarassed and hurt. Most victims of scam artists feel ashamed to tell anyone. Even if ALL her advice is good (which it apparently is not), the fact that she misrepresented herself daily should be a peek into her character...right? I think in most forums, she would at least be called out. I cannot find on OH where anyone got an answer other than ...."of course I am licensed". Usually the poor OP was accosted by a barage of "protectors". Sandy was never made to answer for her actions. If she really wants to turn over a new leaf (which she has never even said by the way), a public apology and explanation on OH would be a good start.....IMO.

I even contacted OH's member services about her and they blew me off. THAT is what pisses me off more than anything, that they are knowingly allowing her to get away with presenting herself as a nurse. Even with all of their disclaimers, I think that they could probably be held liable if they allow Sandy to misrepresent herself as a nurse and someone follows her advice to their detriment. If someone gets hurt because of Sandy, OH is screwed, since they've been warned about her and they've done nothing. You may not be able to charge OH with an illegal offense, but that means nothing in a civil court.

I wonder if anyone's reported her to the company that markets her CDs, since they are advertising her as a licensed nurse.

That is sure not good public relations on the part of OH. But as far as Sandy herself, I understand why she does not deny the info(because it is true and can be verified). Why does she not take responsibility for it? Has she to anyone? Even her so-called friends, I wonder if she has offered them an explanation or any apology....If I had so staunchly defended someone, I would feel entitled to some sort of explanation! Unless she has sent them private apologies (the coward's way out), I have not seen any sort of remorse shown on OH.

All this talk of boobs and tummies got us side tracked LOL.

Ohhhh, I hadn't forgotten. I just wasn't sure how to get the topic back on track.

Back to the original topic of OH.....I feel like that if I had been duped by Sandy, I would be embarassed and hurt. Most victims of scam artists feel ashamed to tell anyone. Even if ALL her advice is good (which it apparently is not), the fact that she misrepresented herself daily should be a peek into her character...right? I think in most forums, she would at least be called out. I cannot find on OH where anyone got an answer other than ...."of course I am licensed". Usually the poor OP was accosted by a barage of "protectors". Sandy was never made to answer for her actions. If she really wants to turn over a new leaf (which she has never even said by the way), a public apology and explanation on OH would be a good start.....IMO.

I agree with you about her friends. It *would* be embarrassing to admit that you fell for something like that hook, link, and sinker.

There is a topic over there that typically brings about flame wars and that is protein drinks. Sandy has repeatedly claimed that MOST doctors are anti-protein supplements and she bases that on Inamed for the most part. Inamed does not suggest protein supplements as the idea behind the band is to keep you full on solid proteins. Well, that does not mean MOST docs agree. Most of those threads have people that chime in and say their doc is pro or anti protein shakes and the majority of those people say their doc is pro protein drinks. So even her own threads don't begin to prove her claims of what MOST docs believe.

There are some people that just plain don't feel satisfied after a protein drink. There are some (like me) that do. I can drink a protein shake and I'm good to go for several hours. Isn't that the ultimate goal? She may well be one that doesn't feel "full" or satisfied after drinking one but she isn't everyone.

Her "band rules" are what make me crazy and I could not possibly disagree with her more on what is a "rule". People are individual and unique, we all have different desires, goals, needs, requirements, etc. Just because someone is banded does not mean they will not do well if they don't do things Sandy's way.

There are band GUIDELINES and if someone is banded, they are getting all nutrition in, their weight loss is not too fast or too slow, and both the patient and doc are happy... then to hell with her silly rules. They are not rules and we do not all need to follow them such as the protein shakes.

Timed eating is another. She believes everyone should start eating and finish in 20 minutes. That's another load. If I did that I'd get 300 calories in daily at best. Some people take much longer to eat their food. Some take less. But to sit and eat with a timer is bizarre and simply stupid.

She just has a lot of rigid thinking that isn't realistic. It's not how things work in real time, it's how they worked for HER perhaps, but not everyone. So there is no such thing as band rules, they are guidelines and each person has to work with their doc (instead of Sandy) and find what works for them.

Another thing she does that is sheer stupidity is telling people their doc is wrong and she is correct. I remember a gal that got a fill and the day of the fill she ate pork chops. She said it was a bit painful and was that normal. I suggested she stick to fluids for a day or two and see how it went after the swelling went down. Now, understand... this girl wasn't barfing, sliming, foaming... none of that. She said it was sore after eating pork chops.

Sandy came on and threw a fit and explained that she was too tight and needed an unfill immediately. This was 10PM at night and the gal didn't need an unfill, she wasn't even sliming!

The gal ended up calling her bariatric surgeon at home that night and the surgeon said to go on liquids and give it a few days. JUST as I had written. She posted this and said she was happy with that.

Sandy followed up writing that her surgeon was wrong and she needed an unfill before her band slipped and this was dangerous and blah blah blah.

She knew damn well she was giving bad info but she was trying to discredit me. She would rather give someone bad information than to admit she made a mistake. It goes to credibility and integrity and that woman has neither. Bottom line, she has no scruples whatsoever.

Yet the cheerleaders (who are experienced bandsters) will cheer for her to the very end. I don't get it. Where is the honesty? Where is the concern for banded folks? Where is the sincerity? There isn't any.

That's just another reason OH sucks so bad. It's not a matter of quality information for unique individuals, it is all about cliques and groupies. If the best the cheerleaders have is Sandy, what does that say for the cheerleaders?

There is one person I PMed after discovering Sandy was not licensed as she claimed, she has a criminal record, she lied on her licensing renewal, she's been banned from numerous boards, etc. She seemed surprised and said she was pretty good on a computer and if what I was saying was true, she'd call Sandy out herself on the boards. I gave her all the info she needed to confirm what I was writing.

Never heard another word from her. When someone else asked her she suddenly claimed it was no longer important. Yeah, right.

Just another cheerleader with their POM POMs that doesn't have the integrity to admit she was duped by a very manipulative liar on OH.