I'm two weeks out from bypass surgery. I enjoy cigars and smoked right up until the night before surgery then started a week later with no apparent ill effects. They were a needed big distraction during the last two days on the clear liquid, virtually no calorie pre-op diet.

Let me clarify- I was kind of snippy there- I apologize.

The changes is the tissue begins slowly. It takes on a whitish appearance in the tissue inside the mouth - say, for chewing tobacco users. And then it progresses.

For cigar smokers, the cancer usually occurs on the lip and just inside the lip- especially in those who hold the cigars between their lips. Inhaling the smoke into the oral cavity has its effects, as well.

The changes occur on a cellular level first, then the tissue changes, until one day it is cancerous.

My answer hasn't changed though. Yes. We/I can say with 100% certainty that the patient who presents with oral cancer signs and is a tobacco chewer/cigar smoker has these signs and symptoms as a direct result of using these products.

If they were "packing"

a hard candy or holding a sucker in

their mouths constantly, they aren't causing cancer. (Of course, dental cavities would result here...)

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Doctors have said complications included marginal ulcerations, strictures, and fistulas

manitobamama

My father died of cancer that started in his mouth. It was a horrible way to die. Believe what you will. I know what I saw and experienced. A man with half a jaw who couldn't eat the foods he loved. He still enjoyed a good cigar though. Then the cancer moved to his lungs and it was pretty much downhill from there till he passed 6 months later. Very sad ????

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Well sometimes people need to be shown and not told!! If you go as far as to have surgery for what oh A better healthy life why not go all the way. Some people would kill for a second chance of a better life, I don't understand why not take it all the way?

Risk vs Reward, Risk vs. Reward

That's what life is about. We make our choices, pick our poisons.

For most of us here, we overate because it is pleasurable, fully knowing the possible dire consequences.

I realize cigars ain't kale and there is some risk involved but it's a risk I'm willing to take. I've been hanging around cigar smokers for 30+ years, mostly professional men including healthcare professionals and I know of not a single case of smoking related cancer. My closest friend is a cigar smoking dentist in his early 50's in tip top shape. He is a brilliant man who lives life prudently (good diet, regular exercise) but he relaxes with a good cigar & a single malt. He knows the odds.

Risk vs Reward, Risk vs. Reward

That's what life is about. We make our choices, pick our poisons.

For most of us here, we overate because it is pleasurable, fully knowing the possible dire consequences.

I realize cigars ain't kale and there is some risk involved but it's a risk I'm willing to take. I've been hanging around cigar smokers for 30+ years, mostly professional men including healthcare professionals and I know of not a single case of smoking related cancer. My closest friend is a cigar smoking dentist in his early 50's in tip top shape. He is a brilliant man who lives life prudently (good diet, regular exercise) but he relaxes with a good cigar & a single malt. He knows the odds.

And I know a colleague- a dentist- who wears what is akin to the top pink part of a retainer called an obturatur that covers the hole in the roof of his mouth that goes up to the top of the nasal sinuses because of oral cancer.

Wanna see how beautiful it is???

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