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If you're a Jew, completed or not, with or without foreskin, you can don a miniskirt and join us for our tea cup shots of ameretto and Kaluha. Here's to the one year anniversary of our leader/moderator. Anybody got any bagpipes? Don't we need bagpipes, Wheetsin? I mean the skirts and all, if they're plaid, we need bagpipes. Does anyone know what the opposite of a Bris is? Cause don't we need one of those too? Just in case TOM is lying about his Jewish doctor and doc took too much. We need to make this right. There IS someone who can perform the opposite of a Bris, isn't there? They're coming to take me away, hee, hee, ha, ha, ho, ho

Oh I see. Now I get his drift. He wears his maissianic miniskirt so as to display to the non-completed Jews just what their re-newed skin is going to look like when they reach completion. Gives new meaning to the term "completion" if you know what I mean.

Amaretto sour? I'll take a Kaluha Sombrero, thank you very much. Here's to you one year anniversary! Tickytockytickytocky, hoy hoy hoy. (or something like that) Prosit!

Ooooh Church Lady, how you talk! The hootch is served in little tea cups. So as not to embarrass anyone.

Muchas gracias mi amigas! The other one on to Jew or not to Jew is growing pretty stale.

TOM: I think you'll have to watch out. He might want to convert you to a full-fledged Jew. He'll do that so he can help you to become a "completed Jew" after that. It's his mission. It's his ministry. Should fit in nicely over a coupla brewskis.

Robin: Where's the Pagan thread? Here at LBT? There are quite a few pagans posting around here. Heathens, pagans, all manner of opinionated folks. They do seem to be taking the whole religious discussion with a grain of salt. Seems that the right wing Christian side are the most angry and vocal and accusatory against everyone else. It has been quite an experience!

Ron, once again you're confused. wavydaby didn't call Ann Coulter a media whore, Carlene did. You even made a nasty remark directly to Carlene about it - that's why wavydaby said what she did to you. She wasn't in your initial line of fire on this one. So, you're wrong. I don't know where you get this stuff.

Ron did you say that you've been in a messianic miniskirt for 25 years? And you say you are ordained? You're a complete fraud!

Big kudos to Greg, sophrosyne and Wheetsin for doing some serious "outing" here.

I'm glad there was someone with some authority who has jumped in on this and exposed Ron for what he is, an anti-semite. Ron has gotten away with murder here. His buzz phrases are: you don't know what you're talking about, where did you get this stuff, you are mistaken, you are wrong, you are clueless, you are a fool, where do you get this rubbish, you don't know what you're talking about, and on and on. There literally isn't enough time in the evening left to list them all here. He has proven that he is biased and rigid and not very bright. Long ago when this thread first began some of us said that he shouldn't be taken seriously, that his mission was to engage in argument since that is his forte. He doesn't care what we believe he just wants to spout off and put others down in an effort to elevate himself. Well like I said, I have learned a lot here in spite of some of the negativity that has been thrown in. So maybe Ron ain't such a bad thing afterall. He's caused many of you to seem incredibly brilliant by comparison.

Green we're on the edge of our seats in anticipation of you spilling your guts.

Lisa made my point about believing without having to take the Bible literally word for word. I made it earlier too, but thanks Lisa for repeating what we've already said over, and over and over. Maybe if we say it a few more times it will sink in.

gadgetlady: No I can't. I'm not interested. If you are, I promise it's there. I'm feeling like Lisa about now, what exactly is your point at this point?

gadgetlady: the liberals I know are not communists, Marxists or socialists. (Don't we all just love the labels that we like to impose on others!) The difference between the liberals I know and the neo-cons I've brushed up against is that the liberals are vocal about how wrong they think the neo-cons are. The neo-cons want to take up arms against liberals. Now not all neo-cons are necessarily gun-totin' extremists out looking for a kill, but some are. Those are the ones people keep talking about here.

gadgetlady maybe you didn't ask that question of me, but I answered it. Fully. You definitely are a little late today. I think that everyone is sick and tired of that dead horse you're beating. You may not get the responses you're looking for right now.

When we went to Alaska last summer we were shown areas that used to hold massive glaciers for all of recorded history until recently. The people who live there told us that they had never seen the glaciers melting as much as they are today. That's just one girl's experience, obviously isn't scientific or perhaps even true. But it sure made me think a lot about whether we should believe the scientists and environmentalists or whether we should believe the politicians and people who say they just don't buy it, because this is just a cyclical change we're experiencing. Besides, would you rather believe your president or your lying eyes?

Obsessively and excessively!

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din. I have eaten 4 Cookies while reading some of the posts of you-know-who earlier. I am happy to have participated though because I have learned a lot from people like you. My waistline, on the other hand.....

Hmmm, a yummy gummy caterpiller... just the thing to hang on to in times of trouble. You just never know where your next meal is coming from.

Green: I so appreciate your posting this! It is incredibly appropriate and relevant to this discussion. This is certainly not the only thing that the U.S. has going right now that is bad PR (too nice a term) for us on the international stage.

Yeah. I hate to say this but I feel much safer knowing I'm not sitting in the room with some of the really extreme neo-cons, like Ann Coulter... and perhaps even a particular bandster who is near and dear to us. Not that they'd cut my head off, but I'm pretty sure they'd want to.

sophrosyne: I believe that the Bible can be difficult reading sometimes and confusing, but it has wonderful parables and simple lessons that we can easily apply to our lives each day. If we try to take it too literally, we can miss out on so much. Do you wonder why some people find it so necessary to define the Bible as literal? I think that it may mean that they are so afraid of dying and hell, and since there are a couple of passages that promise them they will go to heaven no matter what if they follow a couple of the rules explicitly, that they feel insured in a way. It's the only thing that makes sense to me, but if you have a better take on it, I am very interested in knowing it.

It's interesting this global warming thing. Why would people, scientists, insist that global warming is happening? To line their pockets with gold? To get power over the people? Why would Bush deny that global warming is a trend? Why? Do any of us need to point that out?

Lisa: And I honestly think we should be scared. Some people here think I'm saying that or that TOM is saying things for effect and for the shock value. I promise that I am 100% serious about this. What Bush has been able to pull of during his presidency I would never have thought possible. If he can do these things, how far can he go? What else will we let him take from us? What other atrocities will he commit in the name of freedom and Christianity? They are deadly serious questions. The fact that Bush is catering to the extreme right, to some fundamentalist Christians, is such a powerful and frightening tactic, it smacks of McCarthyism and Hitler's tactics. We never thought those men could take advantage of their power and crush people like they did either. Right under honest people's noses.