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A funny thing happens when this subject comes up. Most people reply in a very subjective way. Women always yell you about how their husband is a big guy and so they don't believe it makes a difference. While I'm glad for them, that doesn't give me much objective measure. Now if they started out by saying they were Victoria Secret models and preffered over weight men, that would be objective. I'm guessing that isn't the case most of the time. Guys seem to really employ a lot of wishful thinking. Guys always want to believe that they have control over whether or not women find them attractive. They might think that the fact that they have been with a few girls proves this. Never mind whether or not most guys would think these women are 2s. Confidence is huge; I know that. But confidence alone isn't enough. After all, most men are plenty confident after 3 or 4 beers. And knowing how to talk to girs makes a difference as well. But it only goes so far. The fact is, women are just as concerned about looks as men - just not the same TYPE of looks. Being makes a man look more masculine and hence more confident. Being thin accentuates masculine features like a sharp jaw line, Adam's apple and a high testosterone level. Also, being thin suggests high social value. Being fat suggests low social value. Anyway, I have friends who need do or say nothing to get hot girls. many times I have been hanging out with them when women just walk up and start hitting on them. No confidence, no game, nothing - just standing there. Now, there are guys who can pull of a heavier look. And in certain cultures it is more acceptable. But, for mos or us, I think it will make a profound difference. Soon, I will be getting a verticle sleeve and I will let you know. And if it makes a difference, when I was young and fit, I slept with plenty of women (hot ones) so this isn't coming from a guy with no game.

Ginger, that's pretty much the stock response from girls. The problem is that what women say and what they do are completely different. I'd bet dollars to dough nuts that your gorgeous friends that think the thin guys are jerks and the other ones are great guys is having sex with the thin jerks and not the others. While it is true that women are not attracted in the same way men are, it is a mistake to think physical attributes don't play into it. Unfortunately, being over weight caries with it a negative social stigma and the last thing hot women want is to date low on the social totem pole. Note your example of the celebrity who plays the husband of a hot woman on TV. It is his celebrity status and the perception of value that comes from his hot TV wife that makes him attractive. It's called "social proof." Women are into looks, just not in the same way men are. Women are into masculine facial features and tall thin men even if they are not "good looking" in the traditional feminine sense. But again, what women think they want in a guy and what they actually go for are two completely different things.

I'm about to begin mine and I'm wondering what they need to see and what they will deny me for. Obviously losing 80lbs would get one denied, but what about losing none or gaining.

After 4 years as friends I'd probably focus on going out with her and having her help you meet girls. Being with a hot girl increases your value big time. Just make sure she "appears" into you. That's the best tool a guy can have.

I have an appointment next week with to get the ball rolling on my six month diet and all that. But, BCN is telling me I have a 50% co-insurance which is odd since my explanation of benefits is for zero co-insurance. Evidently, the fact that I purchased a zero co-insurance policy means nothing since they get to pick and choose which things are not included in my contract that clearly states zero f***ing co-insurance. What other business' can have a contract that states an agreement plain as day and then unilaterally pick and choose when the contract applies and when it does not? Can an auto insurance company sell you full coverage and then after an accident claim that they don't cover damage cause by pick up trucks? Where is the consumer protection when it comes to these criminals? I have it on paper that I have zero co-insurance. I'm no lawyer but last I checked that is called a material misrepresentation or fraud.

You want to see some insanity search youtube for "gixercart." They put an engine from a GSXR in a go cart. Insane!

Actually, I once worked at the center but didn't deal with the bariatrics program. I never was down with the whole Protein shake diet idea and it kind of makes me not trust them. I did attend the bariatrics seminar and got that same "extended warranty" feeling.

Lack of libido can be caused by weight related depression, low testosterone or just age. When I was in my 20s and working out 2 hours per day six days per week (and still a bit chubby) I used to beat the breaks off of my girlfriends for hours. We were literally both soaked with sweat like we ran a marathon. Then, I got older and heavier and found I had to keep them on top most of the time. It was good but just not as athletic or intense. Plus, I just wasn't as enthusiastic. Now, I really don't know if losing weight will return my libido or my stamina to what it once was. I'm sure it will help, but I'm just not sure if anything less than a fountain of youth could restore my former enthusiasm and exuberance. I hope to find out soon.

I think there is an anatomical response to strenuous exercise that reduces hunger for a while. If it's intense enough you might even puke. I know I can not eat for a while after a heavy workout. But, as far as long term - sorry that just isn't going to happen.

Would you or can you just lock or delete this one and keep the other?

OK, I'm not banded but I am knowledgeable in this area. Long term aerobic exercise of the type you are doing burns primarily fat. There could come a time when your calorie expenditure exceeds your food intake but I highly doubt this will be a problem for you. As far as Protein - people only need about 4oz per day. I guess I'm not really sure of your question but it seems you are asking if getting a fill will interfere with your caloric requirements. Like I said, I doubt it will be a problem. Most of those guys look like they escaped from a Russian gulag.

LOL! All that huh? Let me guess - you must be an ardent Feminist, am I close? I know how much you guys hate that stuff. You don't have to shoot the messenger though. And I can get lots of women - I just prefer ones that are drop dead gorgeous.:tt2:

I think 1500 calories is quite low. Average is like 2000 or 2500 if I'm not mistaken. I guess that's why we are fat. Stupid metabolism.

LOL. I doubt it will make the world right but it might make it a little more fun. Anyway, I reposted this in the men's room in a more appropriatly crude manner.