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I'm about to begin mine and I'm wondering what they need to see and what they will deny me for. Obviously losing 80lbs would get one denied, but what about losing none or gaining.

I have an appointment next week with to get the ball rolling on my six month diet and all that. But, BCN is telling me I have a 50% co-insurance which is odd since my explanation of benefits is for zero co-insurance. Evidently, the fact that I purchased a zero co-insurance policy means nothing since they get to pick and choose which things are not included in my contract that clearly states zero f***ing co-insurance. What other business' can have a contract that states an agreement plain as day and then unilaterally pick and choose when the contract applies and when it does not? Can an auto insurance company sell you full coverage and then after an accident claim that they don't cover damage cause by pick up trucks? Where is the consumer protection when it comes to these criminals? I have it on paper that I have zero co-insurance. I'm no lawyer but last I checked that is called a material misrepresentation or fraud.

You want to see some insanity search youtube for "gixercart." They put an engine from a GSXR in a go cart. Insane!

Actually, I once worked at the center but didn't deal with the bariatrics program. I never was down with the whole Protein shake diet idea and it kind of makes me not trust them. I did attend the bariatrics seminar and got that same "extended warranty" feeling.

Lack of libido can be caused by weight related depression, low testosterone or just age. When I was in my 20s and working out 2 hours per day six days per week (and still a bit chubby) I used to beat the breaks off of my girlfriends for hours. We were literally both soaked with sweat like we ran a marathon. Then, I got older and heavier and found I had to keep them on top most of the time. It was good but just not as athletic or intense. Plus, I just wasn't as enthusiastic. Now, I really don't know if losing weight will return my libido or my stamina to what it once was. I'm sure it will help, but I'm just not sure if anything less than a fountain of youth could restore my former enthusiasm and exuberance. I hope to find out soon.

I think there is an anatomical response to strenuous exercise that reduces hunger for a while. If it's intense enough you might even puke. I know I can not eat for a while after a heavy workout. But, as far as long term - sorry that just isn't going to happen.

Would you or can you just lock or delete this one and keep the other?

OK, I'm not banded but I am knowledgeable in this area. Long term aerobic exercise of the type you are doing burns primarily fat. There could come a time when your calorie expenditure exceeds your food intake but I highly doubt this will be a problem for you. As far as Protein - people only need about 4oz per day. I guess I'm not really sure of your question but it seems you are asking if getting a fill will interfere with your caloric requirements. Like I said, I doubt it will be a problem. Most of those guys look like they escaped from a Russian gulag.

LOL! All that huh? Let me guess - you must be an ardent Feminist, am I close? I know how much you guys hate that stuff. You don't have to shoot the messenger though. And I can get lots of women - I just prefer ones that are drop dead gorgeous.:tt2:

I think 1500 calories is quite low. Average is like 2000 or 2500 if I'm not mistaken. I guess that's why we are fat. Stupid metabolism.

LOL. I doubt it will make the world right but it might make it a little more fun. Anyway, I reposted this in the men's room in a more appropriatly crude manner.

You guys should look for some videos of our "Woodward Dream Cruise." It takes place just N of Detroit and guys bring out all kinds of stuff from miles around. Even tonight there is a classic car show up the street from me with all kinds of radical stuff. I'm talking classic muscle cars fully blown and tubbed out. Guys really get into it here. I'll be putting my money into a nicer boat myself.

What are your experiences with their entire program? I know they have a whole Protein shake diet thing that seems to be a bit of a scam. Did anyone get a similar impression from their bariatric program? I went to their seminar and they passed out the shakes and it just seemed like they offer too many bells and whistles. I just want what is necessary. Opinions?

Sigh... I really didn't want to get into a debate about the question. What I was hoping for is a few guys who have been down that road to weigh in on the issue. Yes, one could always attribute their success to increased confidence and in some cases they may be correct. But, I'm sure there are guys like me who have confidence in spades but find it doesn't overcome the negative image of being fat. See, I know all kinds of techniques for appearing confident that most people are not even aware of. The science of attraction goes way beyond the goofy stuff the amateurs in the VH1 series do. And no, I never use any of those corny bits. That is pure amateur stuff. For instance, the way a man sits indicates his level of confidence. Open body language and a relaxed position are a couple - body language is a science in itself and it is powerful when used correctly. Confidence can be expressed vocal tonality, by proximity to others including other guys, in the way one touches someone and in the way one approaches. Politicians are trained in how to shake hands in such a manner as to appear confident and so am I. In fact, I have a special handshake I use specifically to give the impression of confidence. All of these things (including confidence) are meant to give the guy the appearance of high social standing which women find attractive. This trips their attraction switches because a man with high social status is seen as more able to ensure the survival of the woman's offspring. Numerous studies have shown that a man's height is of the utmost importance in attracting women. Tall men are viewed as better protectors. The problem with being over weight is that it has a strong negative social stigma. Fat guys are seldom the center of the "in crowd." The impression of a negative social status is incredibly unattractive to women - especially if the guy is short. So, it is more than just a visual thing. See, guys are simple. We look for signs of health, youth and fertility. That is how our brains are wired. But that also includes a woman with good values in the end. Women, are much more complex as explained above. But, in todays age of pressuring women to act like men, more and more women are imitating male sexuality and seeking "boy toys." So sure, back in the day when all the fat guys were in the Chief's or the King's inner circle, that was seen as attractive. (Actually, heavier women were seen as more attractive back then too.) But today, being fat means you are an outcast and that is unacceptable for women who have a great deal of options.

I'm not banded yet but my weight has fluctuated considerably through the years. I have noticed a significant correlation between my weight and my ability to attract women even though I have never truly been thin by most standards. MY weight is currently around 290 although being very muscular I carry it well - so I'm told. But I'm not sure what your question has to do with anything.