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I never said she claimed to be sinless, but then she shouldn't bash people's beliefs, mistakes or choices, when low and behod she has made a good number of them herself!

Costs of raising a baby are a big deal and they should make women aware of it! Maybe no women were asking to go else where...maybe those women went in searching for an abortion and not searching for their "options"...just because you have numbers and statistics doesn't mean you have all the facts!

Times have changed and beliefs are different...so yeah maybe back then they acted as if it is your only option, but that is not how it is now...I've been to PPH...So what you are saying is you went against what you preach....you had sex before marraige *gasp*. I guess we all do things that we weren't/aren't proud of...

America would have stayed out of her business if she didn't come begging on shows and the internet for help and donations and money for kids she had no business bringing into this world! In other parts of the country it is also okay to beat you kids and wives and have sex with children does that mean we should follow suit aand do the same thing?

Asking me to take my emotions and experience out of this is like telling you to remove your logic or patty to remove her god...We all have different reasons for where we stand...We shouldn't have to shut off that part of who we are and what we believe.

I am so tied of it always being an arguement instead of just a conversation. I think abortions should be legal which would mean that it wouldn't be consdered illegal/murder. I think that murder should only be used if therson was killing with an evil intent...Nothing you can say will make me question where I stand in any of this. I stand where I am because it is my opinion. I don't need you to "help" me look at the logic or see the "problem" here...it is my belief...that is why it is called MY belief and not YOURS!

If this was a majority vote...look at the poll results so far...abortion would be legal. Pro-choice is the majority on this poll (If you look at the percentages up top)...So...Are you sure you know what you are asking for? As someone said before there are "Christians" that are pro-choice...

I did not in any part of my post say "proper". I did not say it was murder. I said that is the way it is now. I did not say agreed with it. I said that right now if an abortion is done illegally that the woman is held reasponsible for the death...I didn;t say where I stood one that issue...maybe you should read my posts more than once before you come at me with logic....thank you.

The fetus is apart of the womans body until it is born...If the mother kills the baby illegally without the help of a legal abortion then she as held responsible just like if someone was to kick her or punch her and kill the baby...

It's not that it amazes me...I find it strange that pro life stickers are not only saying say no, and life is life, but also say things such as This is murder, and you could have saved me...Pictures of children saying what if she was an abortion...just things that I think aren't something that I would want my young child to see when we are driving around...protesters and stuff like that...you don't see any Pro-choicers standing in front of churches protesting that they are wrong and all churches should be shut down because they are against abortions...I was just pointing out differences.

Yes you can choose to donate the eggs just like you could donate sperm...or a child that is already born. She said that she couldn't do that because she was thier mother and she did not want one of her children growing up not knowing her, she said that just knowing her baby could be out there somewhere made her sad...I saw a car in front of me today and the whole back end was covered in Pro-life bumper stickers...the one that caught my attention the most said: Abstinence=freedom...I was like What?!?! lol. They had so really crazy bumper stickers on that car...that is the difference between pro life and choice, most pro life bumper stickers just state pro choice, a women's choice and what not...they don't say things like abortions are the way to go...yay for abortions or have a picture of a battered/abused child and say abortion could have saved me...lol. I mean come on some of the things they say are just ridiculous and they shouldn't be posted everywhere for little kids to see...anyways to each their own

I mean I kind of understand that her reality isn't kicking in yet because they are still in the NICU, but my son was in the NICU for 4 months and then in the PICU for another 2-2 1/2 months, but reality kicked in for me fast. I cried a lot and I cried often...it's good to cry and to break down in those situations...your body needs it.

I agree. Just having a home and money doesn't mean you should have children. Everytime they ask her anything, it's like I am ready and things are fine and rainbows and butterflies, but when the reality kicks in it is going to kick her butt! She's not being realistic in how things are going to be...

A phycologist has already submitted a a claim to CPS. Right now she is living in a 3 bedroom home with her 6 kids and her parents. non of the kids have their own bed and she doesn't even have cribs or carseats for the 8 she has now. I just worry about her children. They said in the last psych eval they did that she said she was depressed and having suicidal thoughts. I just want the kids to be safe and to get all the love and attention they deserve...it's sad for them. Even one of her younger kids said that when the new babies come home mommy wont have time for us anymore and we're going to move and we don't want to move. We're going to be lonely...that is sad to hear from a child. Nadya is selfish in her quest for babies...

I think she needs to have them taken from her. In fact some of the newborns are ready to come home, but they are refusing to release them to her from the hospital until she can meet like 7 pages of things. She has her 6 kids living in a 3 bedroom home. They are living off of government assistance and student loans. She shouldn't have even tried for 1 baby let alone implanting 6 embryos! Now she's beggin for help, donations, and California tax payers are having to pay their hospital bills? That isn't right. Those kids deserve better. She has more than one special needs child and I, having one myself, know that caring for a special needs child takes a lot of time, time that is taken away from all her other kids, or time that is not given to the special needs ones. There is no way, mentally, emotionally, and finacially she can care for all of her children. It's just crazy to me. I mean who paid for her plastic surgery, her INF treatments, and her manicures? It's just crazy.

So you are saying that she made the right decision implanting 6 embryos when she already had 6 kids some special needs kids and using food stamos and school loans to care for them living in her parents 3 bedroom home? Also I took the quote "rid from society and causing life to end" from what you had written which is why in my post it was in qoutes. I think she made the wrong choice by doing what she did. She had no business bringing in even 1 more child let alone 8 into this world. She should have either donated the embryos to a women with no kids or that wanted it and deserved to have a baby or have them destroyed. Oh and yes she did have twins. She made a mistake having this many children that she cannot care for!

Then not all those that have abortions are murderers. I definately wasn't killing with evil intent. I was ridding the fetus from society and causing it's "life" to end without evil intent (as you said)... How do you feel about the octo mom implanting all of those embryos because she didn't wish to "kill" them by not using them...? Just wondering

I wanted to start a Poll: Do you think that Nadya deserves to have her children taken away from her? Does she deserve to have these children?

Just curious...if it says though shall not murder then killing is okay? I'm just a little confused I'm not trying to say you wrong or anything...I'm just trying to understand.

I just watch Religulous last night! It was a really great documetary! Anyone that has questioned religion should check it out! I loved it!!!! Sorry it's off topic...kind of :thumbup:

This is another good article: Pregnancy after Tubal Ligation - Pregnancy Articles

Go look at this link....things happen...nothing is 100% pregnancy after tubal ligation - pregnancy-info.net

I didn't say that it didn't implant. I was replying to what PG said when she said that it cannot be fertilized... That's all...

Thank you so much. It sounds like you have a wonderful family too...They told me that if I do get pregnant again I will have to be on bed rest for most of it and have shots throughout it to prevent my blood from over clotting again. It has happened before, just like when a man gets his tubes tied, things happen and a pregnancy can still occur...