Creekimp13

My $.02 Protein replacements are necessary in the beginning. They can be a decent "on the run" choice. But long term, we need to eat healthy food...and there are healthier options than eating a ****-ton of artificially sweetened whey. Once in a while, though, they're a great option and worth keeping around. There are also dangers in eating too much protein long term that you should discuss with your doctor. Average sized folks who are busting 80g per day every day long term....should discuss it with their docs. 60-80g per day is an awesome maintenance level. Would be even better... if half or more of those grams were coming from complex carbs and plant based protein, IMO. My program recommends the lighter side of the protein requirement after you hit maintenance. I eat about 60-65g per day these days.

A. Her husband had a Halloweenie:) Happy Halloween ya'll!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673798/

What few people realize here...is that there is a difference between mouse biochemistry and human biochemistry. Particularly, in the way we deal with IGF-1. Mouse studies are pointless. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673798/ These findings demonstrate that, unlike in rodents, long-term severe CR (caloric restriction) does not reduce serum IGF-1 concentration and IGF-1 : IGFBP-3 ratio in humans. In addition, our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key determinant of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging dietary interventions. MMME's study above...while from a reputable source...was done on mice.

OP, have I told you lately that I love you?

People might be interested to know that there is a significant increase in colorectal cancer in weight loss surgery patients. This potentially encourages two behaviors... 1. Make sure to do your colonoscopies as directed by your health professionals for screening. 2. Pay attention to a colorectal cancer prevention diet. Which means...more fiber, more carbs, less meat.

Why do I care? Because it's sad to me that heavy people are working so hard to be healthy...and are largely uninformed of these risks. When I no longer see vets in renal failure, and who have new cancers after weight loss surgery...I will stop caring.

We do practice calorie control. From week three until goal...my calorie goal was 1000-1200 calories per day. We are encouraged to move liberally. Lots of daily walking and 30 minutes of cardio or resistance training 3 times a week. My particular diet allowes 75 calories of "treats" per day that can be banked for special occasions. I do eat meat. When I do, it's mostly chicken and fish. I very occasionally eat fresh red meat. I get more than half of my daily require protein from plant/carb bases sources. I eat 60g of protein per day. Because research strongly links cancer to dairy and processed meats, I avoid any form of deli/luncheon meat, whey shakes, whey protein bars, yogurt, cheese, milk. I occasionally eat these things in small quantities. I know bariatric patients who are getting 30%+ of their calories from these sources...and it's worth reviewing the research for your own safety.

I will continue to post nutrition articles that are of concern to bariatric patients. We are adults. Those who appreciate them can read them. Those who don't....can either continue to whine and cry about them....or act like adults and simply ignore them. I've been thanked privately and encouraged to continue posting. I'm happy to do that for those who find it of use.

As I have explained multiple times. My instructions worked phenominally for me. I am below goal and have eaten healthy carbs and fruits every day. My bariatric team is 100% on board with us eating baked potatoes, brown rice and whole grain breads. We are encouraged to eat a good portion of our required protein from plant sources due to the risks associated with a high animal protein diet. I was shocked to see the propensity at this site to force the agenda of protein eating at the exclusion of other healthy foods, in particular, healthy carbs and fruit.....which are necessary for good health.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/link-red-meat-cancer-need-know/

https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html

https://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/ask/ask-the-expert-dairy-products

https://www.livescience.com/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html

The average bariatric patient gets a massive amount of their protein from protein drinks, protein bars, yogurt, cheese and milk. And they are encouraged to. Dairy products are strongly correlated to breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer . No one discusses this, and fat people are getting thrown out of the frying pan into the fire. And it sucks because they work so hard to be healthy. The lack of education is staggering.

Apparently Miz failed to open the link and follow the links to the studies.

Yes...animal proteins are what cause increased cancer/cardiovascular disease/mortality. Which is why I get more of my needed protein from healthy vegetable based sources like baked potatos, brown rice, and whole grain bread:) These vegetable-based proteins are awesome. As are beans, nuts, seeds, etc. https://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/ask/ask-the-expert-dairy-products

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3988204/ Highlights High protein intake linked to increased cancer, diabetes, and overall mortality. High IGF-1 levels increased the relationship between mortality and high protein. Higher protein diet may be protective for older adults. Low protein intake in mice resulted in reduced IGF-1 and tumor progression.

I'm a very muscular person and BMI doesn't work for me. What did work...was body fat percentage found with Hydrostatic underwater weighing. I love my new weight:) I aim for 25-30% body fat. Am at the low end of that these days. My doctor suggested 170 as a goal weight...which I loved, but my body seems to want to weigh less. I'm eating 1600-1800 calories a day and having a hell of a time keeping weight on. Still losing. My doctor suggested my body might want to weigh 155-160. Less than i'd like...but i'm ok with it. Less than 155 and i'm gonna start eating french fries daily. LOL:)

Well...that might pose a problem. That said....I've done frozen raspberries and chunks of frozen yogurt that turned out pretty terrific. And even my friend who hates bananas likes my chocolate "ice cream".

LOL! Indeed:)

Shhh! Summerset! Behave! LOL https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html

So good, you have to try it. 1/2 cup quick oats 1/4 cup cottage cheese two egg whites teaspoon of baking powder splash of milk (I use almond) Zap this in your friendly smoothie maker or blender Dump a few frozen or fresh blueberries in a pan Pour batter over them and cook just like you'd cook pancakes. Flip when they bubble. These are incredible. Maple Grove Farms Sugar free maple syrup is 15 calories for a quarter cup....tastes fantastic! Add some berries and walnuts on top. Enjoy!

My "ice cream" there is bananas with coco powder and vanilla. Good stuff!

Love, love, love my Yonana's "ice cream" maker. You put frozen fruit in it...in particular, frozen bananas...and it make the most resplendent delicious frozen desert ever. You can mix it up with all sorts of frozen fruits, but in particular, I like being a purist and making pure banana....topping it with a little pinapple, some fresh sliced strawberries, sugar free chocolate sauce, lite whipped cream and pecans. This treat is legal on my plan and makes a wonderful compromise. Long live new habits:)